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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Maya Forstater wins case against Scout Association over “misgendering”

104 replies

AnneLovesGilbert · 19/12/2021 11:33

Can’t see another thread on this.

unherd.com/thepost/maya-forstater-wins-case-against-scout-association-over-misgendering/

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allmywhat · 19/12/2021 18:31

Anyone want to bet on whether Murray will become a Guide leader now?

Feelingoktoday · 19/12/2021 18:38

Maya is asking people not to engage with him,

Oblomov21 · 19/12/2021 18:39

I need to look into this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/12/2021 18:54

It's so appropriate that it's 19th December!

PronounssheRa · 19/12/2021 19:00

@Feelingoktoday

Maya is asking people not to engage with him,
Very very few people are, theys twitter posts are attracting very little in the way of likes or comments.
ScreamingMeMe · 19/12/2021 19:01

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Rhannion · 19/12/2021 19:06

Murray is up to his crap again today, he really is a beardy bawbag of the first order.

Rhannion · 19/12/2021 19:07

Him & Beardy Herbface are a right pair of misogynistic book ends

Doodlebud · 19/12/2021 19:08

Great news.
All these things are helping to keep women and girls at the top of the agenda.

ScreamingMeMe · 19/12/2021 19:11

@MrsFionaCharming

The Facebook thread has been deleted, guess it wasn’t going the way Murray wanted 😂
Damn it, I wanted to read the replies!

I've seen plenty of misogyny from them, but what has they said that is homophobic? (I don't doubt it's true - they are both popular with gender idelogues).

Rhannion · 19/12/2021 22:56

The replies were “ hope your all right” and he said he was not happy at all! then he pulled the thread because it certainly wasn’t going his way.

Rhannion · 19/12/2021 22:57

“ you’re “ not your !

FemaleAndLearning · 19/12/2021 23:17

[quote AnneLovesGilbert]Can’t see another thread on this.

unherd.com/thepost/maya-forstater-wins-case-against-scout-association-over-misgendering/[/quote]
Only a couple of comments under the article but one asking why girls join scouts if their safety can't be guaranteed (I'm paraphrasing). Totally missing the point I think.

The Twitter account is funny, but I think sadly it is real. Gregor stated he didn't know what her (Maya's) gender is and someone just called him out for it by saying if you don't know Maya's gender why did you use her!

Honestly it is so bonkers.

Anyway a huge thank you to the amazing trailblazer, Maya 💐. You will go down as one of the heroes of women and children's rights.

FannyCann · 20/12/2021 07:04

It's made the DM today. Shame they didn't feature a selection of Gregor Murray"s best tweets. But clear and factual.

Scout leaders apologise to woman hounded after calling bearded man he
mol.im/a/10326933

ScreamingMeMe · 20/12/2021 08:00

[quote FannyCann]It's made the DM today. Shame they didn't feature a selection of Gregor Murray"s best tweets. But clear and factual.

Scout leaders apologise to woman hounded after calling bearded man he
mol.im/a/10326933[/quote]
However, a picture (in this case a photo) can paint a thousand words...

WackyDuck · 20/12/2021 08:19

One of the Twitter replies said "it wrongly cites being GC as a protected characteristic, which isn't true".

So annoying when that happens isn't it Hmm.......

Wheresthebeach · 20/12/2021 09:06

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KohlaParasaurus · 20/12/2021 09:24

Good news. Pleased for all of us, unspeakably grateful to Maya.

BraveBananaBadge · 20/12/2021 10:43

I've tried to follow this and don't want to get deleted... I've heard of the complainant before, but...

Is literally all this person done to consider themselves 'trans' changed pronouns from he to they? It's no more than that from what I can see?

ArabellaScott · 20/12/2021 10:54

As far as I can tell, Brave, yes. But that accords with self ID etc. If being 'trans' is about someone's inner feelings, then there's no objective, outward way of telling someone is trans or not, of measuring, or knowing, unless they tell you.

If we operate on self ID (as the NHS does, as the MoJ does, as the police do) then we can ONLY tell if someone is trans or any other identity when they tell us.

There is literally no outward sign or way of knowing somebody's 'gender identity'. I would agree with this, actually. We have no way of knowing how somebody feels.

Where Gregor and I would differ is that I would say that in most cases people's sex is 1. easily observable and 2. important and relevant in many instances (3. and often more important in terms of social contracts than the feeling inside someone's head about how they relate to sex stereotypes).

This is why males are now asked if they could be pregnant when presenting for medical procedures.

Datun · 20/12/2021 11:14

@BraveBananaBadge

I've tried to follow this and don't want to get deleted... I've heard of the complainant before, but...

Is literally all this person done to consider themselves 'trans' changed pronouns from he to they? It's no more than that from what I can see?

That's right.
Datun · 20/12/2021 11:16

The insane part is being told on one hand that words like man and woman have no meaning, but on the other that a person doesn't identify as one.

One what?

littlbrowndog · 20/12/2021 11:24

Maya you have so much strength. Ta for all you have done for women and girls

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🧝‍♀️🧝‍♀️🧝‍♀️

BraveBananaBadge · 20/12/2021 11:28

Thanks Arabella and Datun. Dont know why but it just jumped out as making even less sense than these things usually do Confused

I'd be concerned about anyone who wasn't insulted by this one way or another.