If a general election was called, who would you vote for?

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Or really, who can I vote for? I don’t want to vote Tory, especially after today’s revelations. I also don’t feel happy voting Labour or Green, for reasons often discussed on this board. Is there a party you’d feel happy to vote to be in power if you had a chance to, say, tomorrow? Feeling pretty despondent

I will voting yet again for my local labour female MP who is very good (I miss labour being in power).

if you're voting Tory because you think they're the best bet for women's rights there's just not a lot to say about that really!

What there is to say is: Shame on you, Labour and Lib Dems, for being so utterly useless and misogynistic that the Tories - the farking TORIES! - are the only major political party prepared to admit what a woman is, and preserve basic rights in law (and not even all of those).

Sneering at women driven away will not bring them back.

Worker's Party of Britain - left-wing and GC.

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1355154864716787712

Anyone voting Labour, Lib Dem, Green, or SNP needs to take a long look in the fucking mirror.

Unfortunately sneering at anyone who disagrees with them seems to be the only tactic the left knows these days.
You'd have thought they'd have learned their lesson when they threw away the red wall vote, but it would seem not.

And I think if you watch, it becomes clear that actually, a lot of the things they are arguing for, they are doing it because it's the right and moral thing to think, not because they have seriously thought through the advantages and disadvantages.

And that's a problem. They look at these questions - say how to deal with refugees, or whether it's a good idea to nationalize certain services, or whether we should push electric cars - and to them it is a black and white moral issue. Good people accept refugees, nationalize x y and z, or make combustion engines illegal.

Yet as someone who is generally pro nationalization, who thinks a robust mechanism to deal with refugees is important, who thinks climate change is an existential issue - I know that there are problems and repercussions to any policy decisions.

The stupid fuckwits in my country have just passed a bill that will potentially criminalize therapists talking about the fact of their physical bodies being male or female with kids. Because it was the nice, right thing to do. No thoughts given to repercussions, that stuff, they say, will work itself out.

That kind of thinking is not going to produce good policy except by accident.

Tories

@Floisme

Unfortunately sneering at anyone who disagrees with them seems to be the only tactic the left knows these days. You'd have thought they'd have learned their lesson when they threw away the red wall vote, but it would seem not.

There is some major mental blockage there.

If the Labour Party was a person in therapy, I wonder what the analyst would diagnose?

@EnnAndJay

Worker's Party of Britain - left-wing and GC.

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1355154864716787712

Anyone voting Labour, Lib Dem, Green, or SNP needs to take a long look in the fucking mirror.

Thank you, will look into this some more (just have to block out image of pretending to be a cat petted by Rula Lenska )

Some more from the Worker's Party of Britain:

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1411029567096115202

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1428384345102995461

twitter.com/WorkersPartyGB/status/1356225944818741248

I think they plan to stand candidates wherever they can at the next election after their positive result in Batley and Spen.

@CorrBlimeyGG

Imagine voting for the Conservatives because you're more worried about a trans woman in a changing room, than you are about the hundreds of thousands of women disproportionately impacted by austerity.

If that's how you think, you've truly lost the plot, and you certainly don't care about women.

RTFT.

Tories.

@MalagaNights

It's not a single issue problem.

I'm surprised how many women on here have still not made the connection between this gender ideology and all the other identity politics.

Yea this is the most extreme form.
Yes this form threatens women.
But there are plenty of other groups playing the power/ victim game which allowed this ideology to take hold.

It's an underpinning philosophy that's taken hold of the left. That Life is a battle between oppressors and the oppressed.
Identity is everything.
Aim is to be in a victim identity group.
That's where the power now is.

The right haven't fully succumbed, so I'm with them for the moment. As if we go with the oppressed/ oppressor game we just divide and ultimately tear each other apart.

It sometimes seems the left want that.
Especially when they call you scum.

In a nutshell:

I'm surprised how many women on here have still not made the connection between this gender ideology and all the other identity politics.

If anyone's unsure of this, you only need to look North to see the SNP offer a shining example of style over substance. Our infrastructure is shagged, our schools are failing, and the SNP just keep attacking the Tories. That's all they have.

The right/ left politics threads come up a lot. Often in good faith obv. Not uncommonly started to try to guilt women into voting a certain way.

Reading this one for me it's mostly same right/ left etc but realised another thing that only was nebulous before.

Imo and seeing this is Feminism board.

Tory, but if I was in Canterbury I would vote for Rosie Duffield

I spoiled my ballot as a protest vote in the last election. It was the only time in over 40 years that I had not voted Labour. I’m afraid I’ll have to do the same at the next election.

Can't and won't vote tory ever. Won't vote Labour becuase of their attitude towards people who think biological sex is important. I think Gorgeous George is the worst kind of political shyster so won't be voting for him. Greens and Lib Dems out. Most likely I won't vote at all.

The trouble is that not voting and spoiling papers will just end up risking Stonewall puppets getting into power.

I'll vote for which ever party will keep that from happening. What else matters at this point. Stonewall in power would end women's rights in this country. At speed. Gleefully.

Oops posted too soon.

The party political thing - that keeps on being raised discussed argued etc and of course I totally understand why etc- but with this topic it's beside the point.

Of course left v right is massive and deeply important including to me. But in this topic. It's not particularly relevant. (Bear with me I know the left have gone bonkers on this subject I know. No one needs to remind me!).

On this thread there has been criticism for anyone voting on single issue. No it's not trivial, plus LOADS of voters in the country vote on one or two issues. Many just vote for who they always vote for. Tribal etc. So... Single issue is so minimising, and if the case so what anyway. Hardly uncommon.

Being prompted to, or ending up Tory v labour etc is in s way easy. I am vv totally could never vote X. I get it.

But in this it just distracts.
It doesn't help.

(And unless seismic change in labour, Tories will get in for sure. And the libdems green etc etc are essentially out the game in a way they didn't used to be).

Sorry posting when get a free minute!

@CheeseMmmm

Oops posted too soon.

The party political thing - that keeps on being raised discussed argued etc and of course I totally understand why etc- but with this topic it's beside the point.

Of course left v right is massive and deeply important including to me. But in this topic. It's not particularly relevant. (Bear with me I know the left have gone bonkers on this subject I know. No one needs to remind me!).

On this thread there has been criticism for anyone voting on single issue. No it's not trivial, plus LOADS of voters in the country vote on one or two issues. Many just vote for who they always vote for. Tribal etc. So... Single issue is so minimising, and if the case so what anyway. Hardly uncommon.

Being prompted to, or ending up Tory v labour etc is in s way easy. I am vv totally could never vote X. I get it.

But in this it just distracts.
It doesn't help.

(And unless seismic change in labour, Tories will get in for sure. And the libdems green etc etc are essentially out the game in a way they didn't used to be).

Sorry posting when get a free minute!

That's your opinion but I come from a former mining community and have seen lives blighted by successive tory governments. I could never bring myself to vote for them. Class is still an issue for some of us. It doesn't make me any less GC or any less of a feminist to say this. I am very very sad about it.

For me (and to me after years of posting reading thinking etc it's pretty definite iyswim).

• Party politics is irrelevant. Yes there's a lot to talk about on their approach to this and of course their overall political stance. That is separate.

This is about women and girls. Half the population. All of us. Left, right, old, young, rich, poor, disabled or not, whatever race, skin colour, country born, religion.
And how this works globally? That question is ALWAYS ignored or swerved (funny that).

ALL women. It's about fundamentals of... Everything for us. And not by halves. Right down to leaving us with no words to describe us as a group globally or as an individual, by the most fundamental characteristic shared. No words for the CONCEPT of us. Gone.

This is not party political. It IS a single issue. Sure. The way this topic is dismissed that way is infuriating.

It's a single issue in the way other groups who have been/ are now being fucked over fight for change.

Single issues can be massive issues. Women's rights are a massive issue. Global. Entrenched. Not trivial (FFS).

This is about ALL women. Separate from an election in one country in the world (that's a foregone conclusion anyway).

And why and how did we get here?

Because bottom line is political system was created yonks ago here, by men for men. To consider things that men found important.

We only the same voting rights as men in 1928. We have more representation in parliament and the overall govt machine, currently highest ever at 1/3. And that pattern repeats across areas that have influence over govt etc.

I have some eye opening stats just say if like to see!

Anyway. This situation has for many women confirmed totally what many knew deep down, that many knew deep down but preferred to keep... Not thought on too much.

Which is that when it comes to the crunch the parties say women and girls are as important as men. It's bollocks.

Whatever individual political slant. Essentially some care somewhat about certain types of women. And some think they care, it's obvious, therefore they must do, full stop.

In the end the parties that are the larger well known handful. Either aren't interested or, imo, are busy cheerleading women and girls being totally utterly fucked over.

Which group are the ones this gender> sex thing benefits? Men. And not just men with direct interest. It's all men in the end. Of course the vast majority are totally unaware of that. But that's the overall result.

Vote as you see fit. Imo it's going to be Tory no question anyway.

And this fight sits outside that anyway.

(Could think local/ pick a woman if a choice of ok candidates... I would vote for a woman any party if she had indicated not impressed with gender/sex, prob if she had said nothing but had track record interest women girls, and wasn't a total arsehole. And fuck me. What a position to be in.)

Gorgeous George

I used to quite like him. Can't remember why now!

Then came out with load of shit about impolite sex or whatever it was. Donned a fedora. Ah. Bog standard bloke, thinks he amazing, casually spouting off opinions on women, without a second thought. Same old same old.

So many about like that. Depressing.

The fact of people prioritising the issue of gender over the Tories' awfulness on so many other issues is one thing. I don't understand it, but hey ho.

But after how close the USA has just come - and is not out of the woods yet with the ongoing effects of Trump-appointed judges etc - after literally seeing the entire edifice nearly collapse under the weight of the lies, manipulation, pig-headed denial of due process and deliberately generated culture war -

How anybody can happily vote for the brazen and active undermining of democracy itself and its descent into fascism, is really beyond me.

God help us.

You are aware that on this issue, given it affects women and girls full stop. That the board has posters with loads of different views, from different countries etc?

The fact is that women, like men. Have a wide range of political views.

It feels like you assume that all posters on this board are or should be of the same view. Definite left (not even floating in middle), anti Tory. To care about the actions of the current govt (and past conservative govts I assume).

And then to come to chastise women for not being/ thinking how you expect them to.

Do you REALLY think women who have deep seated political views of the various left wing political philosophies.
Would think. Oh well so what I'll vote Tory.

If you believe that.. it's a really dodgy view of women really.