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A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

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Scraggythang · 23/11/2021 10:59

Via Glinner’s sub stack. Sorry if this has already been posted!

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/wtf-are-girlguiding-thinking

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RepentMotherfucker · 01/12/2021 15:42

It sounds as though the people at the top of the organisation don't really understand safeguarding. They seem to think it's one of many things they need to hold in balance. That's an easy (and unfortunately common) mistake to make because 99% of stuff does need balancing. But it's potentially lethal.

MrsFionaCharming · 01/12/2021 20:29

The regular email for volunteers from HQ came out today… and completely ignores this ever happened.

highame · 02/12/2021 07:24

@MrsFionaCharming

The regular email for volunteers from HQ came out today… and completely ignores this ever happened.
Standard SW advice I believe. No debate is still alive and kicking
ArabellaScott · 02/12/2021 11:48

@Artichokeleaves

I'm afraid at this point I would not leave a child in their care under any circumstances. They are utterly unsafe, intentionally, wilfully, and because they are blindly adhering to politics and ruddy awful advice and advisors, it has nothing to do with 'inclusiveness' (Which is yet more bollocks since they are now far less inclusive than they were before they became male centric.)

This will end in disaster. The serious case review will be horrific. The trouble is, some poor kid will be the one who actually pays the price of all this adult hubris.

Yes, indeed. The leader posting ill advised photographs publically on social media is just the visible symptom. What kind of hidden structural issues lead to a result like that?
Artichokeleaves · 02/12/2021 13:11

Once you've entered the realm of: 'our policies say this - but sod them, we're doing this anyway against policy cos reasons' then really where is the point in continuing to expect any sound practice or sense? Run. Run away.

Terfydactyl · 02/12/2021 17:05

@Artichokeleaves

I'm afraid at this point I would not leave a child in their care under any circumstances. They are utterly unsafe, intentionally, wilfully, and because they are blindly adhering to politics and ruddy awful advice and advisors, it has nothing to do with 'inclusiveness' (Which is yet more bollocks since they are now far less inclusive than they were before they became male centric.)

This will end in disaster. The serious case review will be horrific. The trouble is, some poor kid will be the one who actually pays the price of all this adult hubris.

I wouldn't leave a fucking cactus plant in their care now.
If safeguarding means nothing to them, that's fine. But own it. Dont pussyfoot around the whole thing. Think most of those in GG who get paid a salary will need new jobs soon. And if any are reading here, leave before it goes the way of kiss company. You will struggle to find a job after the fact.
WomanStillNotAFeeling · 08/12/2021 10:16

I see Girl Guiding are continuing to tweet as if nothing has happened. Well done to the tweeters continuing to reply and ask about the investigation

WomanStillNotAFeeling · 14/12/2021 14:27

Still no report from Girl Guiding on how their investigation is going

NoToast · 14/12/2021 17:16

In 2018, I reported to girl guides that in the 80s I'd been groped at camp by the husband of a leader. They were apologetic but said they couldn't take it further as I couldn't give them a first name.

So, town, date, unit, surname just not enough for them to be interested.

FlibbertyGiblets · 14/12/2021 17:23

That is disgusting, NoToast. I am so sorry. Would you consider contacting the Police? No need to answer. Hugs

HaroldMeeker · 14/12/2021 17:26

I'm just catching up with this and wonder at the double standards of GGUK. I know someone, a senior leader, who was suspended pending investigation when her estranged husband was arrested for downloading child sex abuse images. She had to go through investigation, interviews and whatnot, just for being the ex wife of a man who was arrested (not charged, arrested and interviewed). Safeguarding applied here, in fact it was a bit heavy handed seeing as they'd already split but hadn't yet divorced. And no, she had no clue he was a pervert, she got rid cos he was a controlling, emotionally frozen git.

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Scraggythang · 14/12/2021 17:39

m.youtube.com/watch?v=xeIcbzg3VAo

This was posted on the break it down for me thread.

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Scraggythang · 15/12/2021 12:13

Sorry, I just realised I hadn’t put a description of that video. For anyone who hasn’t seen it, it’s a fantastically concise video explaining just how far into this horror show of GG are and who’s advising them.

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BettyFilous · 15/12/2021 13:09

I can see why Lisa(?) was hounded off YouTube. She is so clear-sighted in her analysis. The TRAs must hate her pointing at the naked emperor (with a boner) and saying what she says.

lovelyweathertoday · 15/12/2021 13:22

It's an excellent video, she's incredibly clear.

GG should be apologising to the people who raised safeguarding issues and begging them to come back to sort out the mess.

Masdintle · 15/12/2021 13:26

She reminds me of a dear friend of mine who went into social work specifically to uphold child safeguarding. I remember her telling me about grooming many, many years ago - I wasn't aware of the term except as it applied to horses. She too said adults and organisations are targeted first to allow access to children. She was as fierce and as blunt as Lisa.

barleybadminton · 15/12/2021 15:02

It's hardly an explicit poto, she could be going to a fancy dress party for all anyone knows. There are thousands of women whose careers would be ruined if wearing a leather dress and making a jokey comment about being a Mistress was enough to declare someone a safeguarding risk.

I remember when it was the News of the World that used to track down women and try shame them out of their careers because they had a kinky or non traditional sexuality, its depressing to see it being done on a forum that calls itself feminist.

WomanStillNotAFeeling · 15/12/2021 15:58

Except that we’re talking about a set of different inappropriate images and actions as well as potential irregularities about how they were fast tracked into a commissioner role

You’re making a false equivalence barleybadminton

And we’re asking GG to conduct the investigation and make information public (as they did for female leaders who they said broke their social media policy)

Triphazards · 15/12/2021 16:10

@barleybadminton

It's hardly an explicit poto, she could be going to a fancy dress party for all anyone knows. There are thousands of women whose careers would be ruined if wearing a leather dress and making a jokey comment about being a Mistress was enough to declare someone a safeguarding risk.

I remember when it was the News of the World that used to track down women and try shame them out of their careers because they had a kinky or non traditional sexuality, its depressing to see it being done on a forum that calls itself feminist.

I think it's relevant that this is a perverted man, in charge of Girl Guides.
Chickenyhead · 15/12/2021 16:16

Eewww that's a bad take.

I wouldn't be keen on a woman posing with gun in lingerie, choosing to publicly display such images, being in charge of teenage girls.

I'd suggest that your safeguarding goggles are somewhat broken.

Added to this fact, they have a fully functioning male penis, which raises further red flags in any event due to simple crime statistics.

I don't like playing 'let's pretend' when children are involved.

Identify as whatever you want, in your own head, but the welfare and safety of children come first.

A person who feels publicising such fetishism is normal, may indeed not be fully aware of the appropriate boundaries needed to care for vulnerable teenagers.

GG severely failed in their vetting. Those photos should have been hidden before they took on the role.

There should be absolutely no cross-over, exposure of the leaders sexuality and the role as leader.

It isnt prudish, its common sense.

Exhibitionism is an active choice. You can have great sex, wear what you want, play with guns to your hearts content, but you do NOT need to send it out in to the world.

I wonder as to YOUR motives for excusing/justifying it?

Very unusual.

HaroldMeeker · 15/12/2021 18:30

Minimising the gravity of the situation proves rather starkly just how effed up people's perception of acceptable behaviour is.

MrsSteveMcDonald · 15/12/2021 18:49

In my role I see the lists that come from HQ to county. Anyone that hasn't had their DBS or Safe Space renewed will be removed by HQ. They restarted doing this recently as they had put removals on during covid. If local areas aren't doing the checks then they will be losing their volunteers

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Scraggythang · 15/12/2021 18:51

@HaroldMeeker certainly of ‘who’s’ behaviour is acceptable.

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barleybadminton · 15/12/2021 21:11

@Chickenyhead

Eewww that's a bad take.

I wouldn't be keen on a woman posing with gun in lingerie, choosing to publicly display such images, being in charge of teenage girls.

I'd suggest that your safeguarding goggles are somewhat broken.

Added to this fact, they have a fully functioning male penis, which raises further red flags in any event due to simple crime statistics.

I don't like playing 'let's pretend' when children are involved.

Identify as whatever you want, in your own head, but the welfare and safety of children come first.

A person who feels publicising such fetishism is normal, may indeed not be fully aware of the appropriate boundaries needed to care for vulnerable teenagers.

GG severely failed in their vetting. Those photos should have been hidden before they took on the role.

There should be absolutely no cross-over, exposure of the leaders sexuality and the role as leader.

It isnt prudish, its common sense.

Exhibitionism is an active choice. You can have great sex, wear what you want, play with guns to your hearts content, but you do NOT need to send it out in to the world.

I wonder as to YOUR motives for excusing/justifying it?

Very unusual.

My motivation is as someone familiar with the BDSM scene who knows scores of women, teachers, lawyers, doctors, even cops who may have similar photos online if you looked hard enough and who once lived in terror of a News of the World scoop exposing them and destroying their careers. Thankfully that threat has diminished as society has moved on and it's chilling to see it resurrected by people claiming to be feminists.

It's not an explicit pic, it's not NSFW, its not something that would be out of place in a panto or carry on film. It's ridiculous to claim its a safeguarding risk based on a pretty vanilla fully clothed photo that could easily be a fancy dress outfit, I'm sure if you trawled through the social media of other women who work with children you would find no end of similar pics.

How do you know they have a fully functioning male penis btw? I can't see how you could know unless you've had sex with them.

barleybadminton · 15/12/2021 21:16

And she's not "posing with gun in lingerie", there is a picture of her holding a gun, you can literally get a shooting badge in the girl guides, lots of people have that hobby, its a sport. The desperation to find something to attack and destroy someone just trying to get on with their lives is truly depressing. It's nasty, it's bullying, and it's the meat and drink of the worst of the patriarchal tabloid press who will have no qualms about using this moral panic to attack and slut shame other women just like they used to.