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JK Rowling tweeting now about 3 actors who revealed her home address on Twitter

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SocialConnection · 22/11/2021 12:34

The police are involved and all three have locked their accounts.

I hope their agents will take note.

mobile.twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1462758324177444870

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Theflamingnerd · 23/11/2021 14:36

I was saying that the safety of herself and her family has now been significantly compromised by her tweet which is a worry

How is this different to "she compromised her safety by wearing a short skirt"

JKR's safety was compromised the second those TRA's decided to stand outside her house and try to intimidate her and attempt to coerce others into doing the same.

MistandMud · 23/11/2021 14:36

@Journeyofthedragons

She earned a lot of money so she is at risk from kidnapping or attack just from that fact alone. So she would have had security who risk assess public messages about her long before this kicked off

This is why I'm worried for her -

Original actors tweet - tiny amount of coverage
Tweets pointing out the original tweet - slightly larger amount of coverage
JKR tweet - insanely huge amounts of coverage.

It would be fair to say that there are 100s of thousands more people now who know JKR's home address than did 24hrs ago.

She seems to have posted in part to ask all those who'd previously shared the address picture to take it down, even if they'd posted in sympathy.
allmywhat · 23/11/2021 14:37

So posters here think this is all JK Rowlings own fault? Wow

There’s always one.

Helleofabore · 23/11/2021 14:39

Aaaand there we have it.

Victim is abused
Victim stands up for themselves, calls out abuser
Victim is blamed for abusers actions, victim is told they should've just kept quiet and not made a fuss

This has been playing out across twitter for the past 24 hours. It is certainly not a 'new and thoughtful' take. It is just more regurgitation of twitter trope.

Terfydactyl · 23/11/2021 14:39

@MargaritaPie

“ It is understood that the actors committed no criminal offence”

Yes as I previously said it's about as illegal as taking a selfie in front of Buckingham Palace then putting it online and someone reporting you for "doxxing" the Queen.

Oh my God, not the fucking same, nowhere fucking close. Jeez do you even live in the UK? Or are you one of those Americans that think we have all met the bloody queen and had tea with her?
SolasAnla · 23/11/2021 14:40

@Journeyofthedragons

She earned a lot of money so she is at risk from kidnapping or attack just from that fact alone. So she would have had security who risk assess public messages about her long before this kicked off

This is why I'm worried for her -

Original actors tweet - tiny amount of coverage
Tweets pointing out the original tweet - slightly larger amount of coverage
JKR tweet - insanely huge amounts of coverage.

It would be fair to say that there are 100s of thousands more people now who know JKR's home address than did 24hrs ago.

She would be well aware that it's possible to find out where she lives.

For most civilised people that is not an issue because people may show up and take a photo but if asked to leave would do so while apologising for disturbing the family.

What is an issue is that 3 people decided to make a public statement by harassing her at home.
She is making it clear that if someone thinks that they can trade on her family's privacy to push a political agenda that she can and will act.

One port of call is expecting the local police to send units up to "enforce the peace".

Another is to force to offenders to listen to their own community.

Waitwhat23 · 23/11/2021 14:42

I'm rather surprised by several posters stating as fact that these activists revealing JKR's specific address on social media as an incitement to harass her and also being outside her private house with the purpose of causing her fear and distress isn't an offence because even a cursory Google would indicate that it comes under a number of offences -

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/social-media-guidelines-prosecuting-cases-involving-communications-sent-social-media

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/stalking-and-harassment

In particular -

'Harassment of a person in their own Home

Section 126 of the SOCPA amended the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001(CJPA) and created a new offence of causing harassment, alarm or distress to a person in his or her home. The offence contains four ingredients which need to be proved. A person will commit an offence under section 42A(1) if:

• he or she is present outside or in the vicinity of any premises that are used as a dwelling;

• he or she is there to represent to the resident or another individual or persuade the resident or another individual that he should not do something he is entitled to do; or that he or she should do something he is not under any obligation to do;

• the person intends his presence to amount to the harassment of, or to cause alarm or distress to the resident; or knows or ought to know that his presence is likely to do so; and

• the presence of the defendant amounts to the harassment of, or causes alarm or distress to the resident, a person in the resident's dwelling, or a person in another dwelling in the vicinity of the resident's dwelling; or is likely to result in the harassment of, or cause alarm or distress of any such person.

The purpose of this offence is to give the police the ability to deal with harassing or intimidatory behaviour by individuals towards a person in his home even after an incident has taken place. This means that the police can deal with protestors after the event. This will be useful if, for example, there is evidence of a protest on CCTV but the police were not present, or the police were present and could identify the protestors but there was some difficulty in enforcing a direction at the scene of the protest.

The offence in section 42A of the CJPA might be used where, for example, protestors had conducted a rooftop protest at a person's home. If the police were not in attendance, but the resident had CCTV evidence of particular individuals on the roof of his house, and he had been harassed, alarmed or distressed by the presence of the protestors, the police could arrest the suspects for the new offence.

The penalty for this offence is imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale or both.

Section 42A(2) of the CJPA defines persons who can be subjected to harassment, alarm or distress by the presence of others at their home. They are the resident; a person in the resident's dwelling, for example, a child or partner; and a person in another dwelling in the vicinity of the resident's dwelling, i.e. a neighbour.

There is no legal definition of "vicinity" and ultimately it is for the courts to determine what is meant by it as a matter of fact.'

LangificusClegasaurous · 23/11/2021 14:44

Victim is abused
Victim stands up for themselves, calls out abuser
Victim is blamed for abusers actions, victim is told they should've just kept quiet and not made a fuss

Isn't that what happened to Neville Longbottom? But it gave the other students courage, and finally they managed to win because of it.

allmywhat · 23/11/2021 14:45

It’s a useful rhetorical move; the next step from “she endangered herself” is “she obviously isn’t even afraid since she endangered herself.” From there you can get to “she’s playing the victim” and back to “the doxxers are the real victims here.”

SigourneyHoward · 23/11/2021 14:46

@littlbrowndog

For Marge

Clype is Scottish word for telling on someone

Would you mind telling us how to pronounce clype @littlbrowndog - does it rhyme with snipe or snip or something else? Just helping out our Marge as we know she struggles with fancy words...
Helleofabore · 23/11/2021 14:47

struggles with fancy words...

It seems anything Scottish at all actually.

Journeyofthedragons · 23/11/2021 14:48

I don't get the hate, JKR is (understandably) concerned about the safety of her family and asked people to take down the tweets showing her address, but now her address is all over the internet due to following events as I mentioned earlier.

Original actors tweet - tiny amount of coverage
Tweets pointing out the original tweet - slightly larger amount of coverage
JKR tweet - insanely huge amounts of coverage.

I'm not victim blaming in any way, I was just thinking how I might have handled this if it was my family at risk.

MonsignorMirth · 23/11/2021 14:52

Anything JKR said publicly would've resulted in the same attention to the original tweet by the stalkers.

Enough4me · 23/11/2021 14:52

When my DC were little and did something naughty they would often lie, blame someone else or deflect. It's an act of turning the defensive position into an offensive position to keep the upper hand, rather than be remorseful. Adults know the difference between right and wrong, but the TRAs do not appear to have matured and grasped this.

Instead of a public apology to JKR for their behaviour they are blaming her. Unless she drugged them and dragged them outside her home I don't understand their logic.

SpindlesWhorl · 23/11/2021 14:54

@Journeyofthedragons

It is never acceptable to take photos of anyone's private house that you have a disagreement with (or worse) and post online.

Maybe, it is legal however.

That rather depends on history, context, and what you do with the photographs.
Journeyofthedragons · 23/11/2021 14:55

@MonsignorMirth

Anything JKR said publicly would've resulted in the same attention to the original tweet by the stalkers.
I agree, I think if it was me I'd have contacted twitter to remove the tweet and also contacted the police to investigate the possible harassment and let them deal with it from there. Keeping my family safe would have been the priority.
Journeyofthedragons · 23/11/2021 14:57

That rather depends on history, context, and what you do with the photographs.

Absolutely

Theflamingnerd · 23/11/2021 14:58

@Helleofabore

Aaaand there we have it.

Victim is abused
Victim stands up for themselves, calls out abuser
Victim is blamed for abusers actions, victim is told they should've just kept quiet and not made a fuss

This has been playing out across twitter for the past 24 hours. It is certainly not a 'new and thoughtful' take. It is just more regurgitation of twitter trope.

Just to be clear as I'm a bit shite at picking up subtext, when I say victim I categorically mean JKR is the victim in all this. Of that there is no doubt. Now on top of being harassed and intimidated she's being told it's her own doing.

Apologies if I've read into something that wasn't intended in your reply. Your posts are amazing, and are one of the things that peaked me!

SolasAnla · 23/11/2021 14:58

@Journeyofthedragons

I don't get the hate, JKR is (understandably) concerned about the safety of her family and asked people to take down the tweets showing her address, but now her address is all over the internet due to following events as I mentioned earlier.

Original actors tweet - tiny amount of coverage
Tweets pointing out the original tweet - slightly larger amount of coverage
JKR tweet - insanely huge amounts of coverage.

I'm not victim blaming in any way, I was just thinking how I might have handled this if it was my family at risk.

What is the risk?

Even before the tweet anyone could find out where she lives of they wanted to.

So what risk are you thinking she is protecting her family home from?

Saucery · 23/11/2021 14:59

You can’t have it both ways. Either ‘thousands of people know her address already’ or ‘it’s so very top secret no one would ever have found it apart from the 3 activists but now JKR has single-handedly spread it all over the Internet by talking about it’

Which is it?

SomepeopleareTERFSgetoverit · 23/11/2021 15:00

Hi @Waitwhat23, the quote I posted about it not being a crime came from The Times article. I was surprised by it.

RepentMotherfucker · 23/11/2021 15:02

@Journeyofthedragons

So she should have kept quiet about intimidating behavior because she’s made it worse for herself?

Not at all, I was saying that the safety of herself and her family has now been significantly compromised by her tweet which is a worry.

Course you were.

Perhaps she has taken this stand on principle. And also to defend those who don't have her resources. If only she had literally actually said that exact thing in her Twitter thread so that we could all see her heroism and selflessness and acknowledge it.

PronounssheRa · 23/11/2021 15:02

I'm not victim blaming in any way, I was just thinking how I might have handled this if it was my family at risk

You haven't been subject to a couple of years worth of death threats, malicious news articles, and frankly lies being printed about you. JK could have reacted to many many of these, she didn't, I guess this one crossed the line and JK has decided enough is enough. Who can blame her.

Journeyofthedragons · 23/11/2021 15:03

Even before the tweet anyone could find out where she lives of they wanted to.

You're quite right, but in her tweet she asked for any reposts of her address to be removed because she didn't want knowledge of it amplified further, now worringly it has increased incredibly.

RepentMotherfucker · 23/11/2021 15:05

@Journeyofthedragons

Even before the tweet anyone could find out where she lives of they wanted to.

You're quite right, but in her tweet she asked for any reposts of her address to be removed because she didn't want knowledge of it amplified further, now worringly it has increased incredibly.

Definitely her fault then. Shall we burn her in Scotland or bring her down to London in some kind of haywain type thing?