Eddie Redmayne

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He's come out as saying that he regrets taking the part of Lili Elbe in the Danish Girl, as he thinks it should have gone to a trans actor.

That's another issue, surely it's called 'acting' Eddie?

He has affirmed that TWAW and they 'just want to live their lives out peacefully and it's time to allow them to do so'.

So no-ones being harassed out of their jobs then Eddie? Children aren't being medicalised? Women aren't being told to shut up and be kind, and allow men into their safe and private spaces?

What makes a bloke like Eddie think he has any right to an opinion in something that does not affect him, just because he put on a dress and some lipstick for a role that he now regrets?

“I am both supportive of trans rights, and the rights of women. We need to get to a point where we look beyond a very small number of areas where we need women only spaces and be more human and welcoming.“

Well, yes, but we’re not actually allowed sex based women only spaces according to TRAs. All that the women’s rights activists are arguing for is the maintenance of these spaces. And not to have their biologically contingent experiences appropriated or dismissed. Nothing inhumane about that.

“At least we know he wasn't appropriating when he he took the part of hypocritical, sexist Angel Clare in Tess of the d'Urbervilles.”

Poor Tess really had a horrible time of it

I don't really know much about actors, but I've just looked him up and he's not even Danish. What was he thinking? Surely he has realised the part needed to go to. Danish man who transitions during the shooting of the film. Anything else would just be playing pretend or acting.

Oh.

@MatildaIThink

Does he also feel wrong for pretending to be French in Les Misérables, or someone with magic powers in Fantastic Beasts, pretending to have been born in 1809 in The Aeronauts, or an alien in the future in Jupiter Ascending? He certainly should not have pretended to be one of the worlds geniuses in The Theory of Everything.

Well either that, or we accept that acting is acting...

Well said. I notice that many actors are quite tight lipped about this because what if straight male roles could no longer go to gay men? End of Ian McKellen's Shakespearean career.

I hope he donates his fee to Trans R Us.

Can't stand sight of him ever since he spoke out against JK - his face on front of S Times Mag on Sunday - had to rip it off to be able to stomach reading the rest of the magazine. Surprised they couldn't find some way to re-cast the next Fantastic Beasts franchise, for biting hand that feeds etc.

Actors are odd creatures, they’ll kind of just say whatever keeps them in the celebrity bubble without giving it any critical thought. I really think over time they believe their own hype, disconnect from real life entirely & believe the public are hanging off their every overly-introspective word. They all pretend to be ‘friends’ but look how quickly they turn on each other if a scandal brews & how quickly they will drop anyone whose opinions or face don’t fit.

So not sure I really give a shit about Eddie and his ‘opinions’ 🤷🏼‍♀️

It’s just embarrassing reading the careerist self interest and chucking women under the bus. Where’s your integrity Eddie?

@SomepeopleareTERFSgetoverit

I am no longer interested in any penis-haver’s views on this topic. my rights are not Eddie’s to give away.

Agree

@Glassofshloer

Actors are odd creatures, they’ll kind of just say whatever keeps them in the celebrity bubble without giving it any critical thought. I really think over time they believe their own hype, disconnect from real life entirely & believe the public are hanging off their every overly-introspective word. They all pretend to be ‘friends’ but look how quickly they turn on each other if a scandal brews & how quickly they will drop anyone whose opinions or face don’t fit.

So not sure I really give a shit about Eddie and his ‘opinions’ 🤷🏼‍♀️

I think it’s a bit of this as well to be honest. I don’t think it’s any type of altruistic interest in the struggles of the trans community because as many have said, he doesn’t seem to be falling over himself to donate his earnings to trans charities.

It’s blatant self interest. If a movement started that he thought could ‘cancel’ him for taking the part of Marius away from a French aristocratic revolutionary you can bet he’d be out there with ‘I’m sorry to any French revolutionaries I’ve hurt with this. All parts of French revolutionaries should be played by actual French revolutionaries.’

I can't help feeling some of those younger actors who are currently making a great show of 'gender-bending' or being very vociferous 'trans allies' are doing it so they can keep their options open playing straight, gay or whatever in future roles without being 'cancelled' by the Twitter and Tumblr crowd.

@LadyCampanulaTottington

It's called acting. People pretending to be people they're not.

Not that difficult is it, Eddie?

Going by Eddie's logic, are we meant to believe Eddie's a leading authority on theoretical physics and cosmology or has MND just because he played Stephen Hawking in a film?

Rich posh man dumps JKR in the bin for daring to believe in science and then tries to score woke points by condemning a role that he probably made millions from. He can fuck right off.

I was thinking how some actors have an enormous gift just for drawing the audience in, regardless of what part they are acting.

This gift can do more for a cause in creating empathy than the possibly lesser acting of a person portraying their own condition.

Leonardo do Caprio in Whatever’s Eating Gilbert Grape where he plays the part of an autistic boy is an example.

Actors subscribing to identity politics/ culture wars nonsense (ie most of them) are turkeys voting for Christmas. Ditto novelists. Few realise this. Lionel Shriver is one of the few speaking out. If you can only act parts you have experience of and which are the same as your sex, sexuality class gender identity, age etc and can only write about events you have experienced then we have documentaries and biographies and drama and fiction are stuffed. I think most current actors deserve this mind

Dh has always detested Eddie passionately he is switched off in our house and his silly films boycotted. Think he personifies all the establishment cosseted born with silver spoon in mouth boys Dh first encountered at Cambridge. He’s felt like this for years when I told him about ER stabbing jkr in the back Dh was “ha see told you so!”

@MagpiePi I'm a huge Discworld fan but I've had to avoid all discussions about it online recently as I find it so disheartening how Cheery has been misappropriated as a 'trans' character, which shows a lack of understanding of the character. She is a female dwarf, living in a society in which male is the default. There is a discussion in one of the books that Dwarfs know that there are women in their society (they have mothers after all) but it's not openly talked about. When she moves to Ankh Morpork, she is able to choose to wear and say what she wants because she will not face criticism from the Deep Downers for acknowledging the fact that she is female. When she returns to the mines, she does get called a slur for it - not because of her clothes or name but because she has made public the fact that the Dwarfs are not a male society.

She's not a male Dwarf who feels that she should be female. She's a female Dwarf who will be open to criticism for being female. It makes me think of the discussions in the book 'Invisible Women' - women's separate needs are completely disregarded because of society's inbedded bias towards a default male.

@ArabellaScott

What is the difference between Eddie and a male who identifies as trans?

This. 100% this

Dear God, make it stop

I saw an interview with Kristin Stewart who said that she was cautious about the whole “gay roles should be played by gay actors” as she said that she wasn’t prepared to limit her roles to those where the character happened to be gay. It made me really warm to her that she had grasped the idea of actors being people who pretended to be someone else.
I kind of get where Russell Davis is coming from in that he finds the idea of a straight person acting stereotypically “gay” was distasteful but I just think “well, don’t write characters that are stereotypically gay then”. I loved It’s a Sin but I didn’t find the more flamboyantly gay characters like Roscoe more believably gay than Ash or Colin, because I’m aware enough to appreciate that people have different characters and there isn’t a set of behaviours that signifies “gay”. Some gay people will be school teachers and accountants and some will like dressing in sequinned waistcoats and wearing make up. It seems an odd thing to describe someone as “acting gay” - like it’s a costume you can put on.

@Waitwhat23 thank you for explaining Cheery (as written) so clearly. I’m the same as you, I no longer engage online with pTerry fans as I feel they are misrepresenting what he wrote. Also they miss the point of “Monstrous Regiment.” Though his daughter strongly pushes TWAW.

@ArabellaScott

There is a whole world of difference surprised you do t see that.

@ScrollingLeaves

I was thinking how some actors have an enormous gift just for drawing the audience in, regardless of what part they are acting.

This gift can do more for a cause in creating empathy than the possibly lesser acting of a person portraying their own condition.

Leonardo do Caprio in Whatever’s Eating Gilbert Grape where he plays the part of an autistic boy is an example.

Chiwetel Ejiofor In Kinky Boots. Unless he actually is a drag queen, which I may have missed in all the articles about him. His acting talent made Lola a real person not a caricature.

Slightly off-topic but I find it interesting that in 2005 The Guardian was allowed to describe boots for cross-dressers as “fetish wear for men.”

www.theguardian.com/film/2005/sep/30/1

@SomepeopleareTERFSgetoverit The willful misunderstanding of Monsterous Regiment is even worse. None of the female characters believe that they are men - again they live in an intensely patriarchal society where they cannot do what they want to as women so have to pretend to be men. This is particularly evident in the characters who have escaped sexual abuse in the girl's home, have suffered PTSD from their time there and dress as men to avoid male attention.

In particular, the inspiration for the story (particularly the title) is very likely from John Knox's work 'The First Blast of the Trumpet against the Monstrous Regiment of Women' in which he stated that women ruling (the case he was referring to specifically was Mary Queen of Scots) is against God's will.

I used to have a lot of respect for Rhiannon. It's a shame she seems so determined to think the worst of people who adore her father's work but also believe in women's single sex spaces.