Eddie Redmayne

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He's come out as saying that he regrets taking the part of Lili Elbe in the Danish Girl, as he thinks it should have gone to a trans actor.

That's another issue, surely it's called 'acting' Eddie?

He has affirmed that TWAW and they 'just want to live their lives out peacefully and it's time to allow them to do so'.

So no-ones being harassed out of their jobs then Eddie? Children aren't being medicalised? Women aren't being told to shut up and be kind, and allow men into their safe and private spaces?

What makes a bloke like Eddie think he has any right to an opinion in something that does not affect him, just because he put on a dress and some lipstick for a role that he now regrets?

@ittakes2

"What makes a bloke like Eddie think he has any right to an opinion in something that does not affect him..." Do you not see the irony of posting this on an internet forum where everyone with an opinion on things which don't affect them post responses?

Most of the posters on here are women.

Gender ideology affects us.

As a even further aside, it does irritate the heck out of me that the Cheery character is being held up as a trans icon. Nowhere in the books does it say or even imply that Cheery considered herelf a male dwarf and then decided or realised she was female when she moved to AM. All she did was start wearng some things that were culturally worn by human females but considered inappropriate by the dwarf community.

..... Even more off to the side, I would not have minded the 2021 ideas so much if it hadn't turned out to be such a mangling of a fine piece of writing.....

And did you notice, it was ALWAYS cheery who saved the day? Hmmmm.....

@Rightsraptor

Pay him no heed he's just scoring pathetically easy brownie points.

He knows very well that there are no trans actors of enough standing to 'open' a film. It would simply not have been made without a name in the lead & title part. Plus the other problems other posters have mentioned, like trans actors having to play their natal sex.

Have you given the money you made from the film to trans charities yet, Eddie?

Precisely this. Or, being more charitable, he means well and just hasn't thought through the implications of what he's saying/standing for.

Lot of quite harsh opinions here. I thought the film was very well acted. It is a legitimate view for Eddie to say that the role should have gone to a trans actor- as it was legitimate for Russell T Davies to argue that only gay people should be involved in his series Its a Sin. I personally do not agree, but I understand the sentiment as I do when able bodied people have played disabled roles. I am both supportive of trans rights, and the rights of women. We need to get to a point where we look beyond a very small number of areas where we need women only spaces and be more human and welcoming.

@MatildaThink

What about Planet of the Apes, surely they should have trained real monkeys and gorillas how to ride horses and use guns...

WHAT! You mean they weren't monkeys and gorillas? They looked so real, well not the two people in the horse costumes - they were rubbish.

""We need to get to a point where we look beyond a very small number of areas where we need women only spaces and be more human and welcoming.""

Why is it up to the women to encompass this? Why can't the male estate be more welcoming and allow TW into their spaces? Isn't this just the equivalent of 'be kind'?
And I don't agree that there are only a very small number of spaces that this affects.

The film was incredibly misleading. The character he played died of an infection due to an attempted “ womb transplant “ which was brushed over. His far more talented wife died poor and forgotten.

Some people have argued that women and children should give up their rights to safety , privacy and dignity because they are in some way less than human and presumably less deserving of rights.

These people are wrong and their argument is my my view quite despicable. We have seen in history what happens when you argue that some people are sub human.

I am both supportive of trans rights, and the rights of women. We need to get to a point where we look beyond a very small number of areas where we need women only spaces and be more human and welcoming.

And where those 2 sets of rights come into conflict?

Could you list the 'very small number of areas' for me? I have a suspicion you haven't quite understood what the conflict of rights actually entails.

I don't know if people read the rest of the Sunday Times interview, but it was mostly about his new role as the emcee in a stage production of Cabaret. It also quotes his co-star Jessie Buckley as saying how lovely and welcoming it was that everyone in the cast introduced themselves with their pronouns.

What about the right of women in prison not to be locked up with penis havers who rape and sexually assault them?

Is that human right or should they give that right up to a higher class of humans ?

Oh no, wait ..they already have.

What about the right of children to live their lives without adults telling them that their perfectly healthy bodies are defective and they need corrected by mutilating, painful and irreversible surgery which will make them infertile and seriously jeopardise their chance of having a fulfilling sexual relationship as adults.

Do children have that right ? Oh no wait, that’s already been taken away from them.

Many posters on this thread remind me of people who respond to a Black actor playing a historical role (like recently when a Black woman played Anne Boleyn) by saying something along the lines of "imagine if a WHITE man played MLK Jr!" as if everything including racial justice and fairness always works exactly the same in reverse. It's childish and it lacks nuance.

@Double3xposure

What about the right of women in prison not to be locked up with penis havers who rape and sexually assault them?

Is that human right or should they give that right up to a higher class of humans ?

Oh no, wait ..they already have.

Out of interest, do you include the men who work in women's prisons in this?

@RoyalCorgi

I don't know if people read the rest of the Sunday Times interview, but it was mostly about his new role as the emcee in a stage production of Cabaret. It also quotes his co-star Jessie Buckley as saying how lovely and welcoming it was that everyone in the cast introduced themselves with their pronouns.

I saw the thread the Times put on Twitter and that was enough. Apparently he's getting stick because Emcee is often considered a role for an LGBT actor so guess he's got to appear suitably chastened.

Cabaret is one of my favourite films and shows but sounds like the pronoun-happy brigade can have this version.

Out of interest, do you include the men who work in women's prisons in this?

Are you asking me if the men who work in women’s prisons should be allowed to rape and sexually assault them?

This might be a fun “ out of interest “ banter type question to you but it’s the REAL LIVES of real women who are actually fully human.

I find the way that sone people disregard and despite these women quite chilling.

So extrapolating Eddie’s Eton trained logic trans actors should only play roles in which highlighting their trans status is an integral part of the plot. Since most actors find it hard enough to get work at the best of times it seems a bit mean to say to starving trans actors “sorry darling, just no parts about being trans at the moment, but I can put you forward for an audition as a children’s live action cartoon thingy in a gender neutral all in one outfit where no one will have the foggiest what your pronouns are.”

Think about it for a minute Eddie, black actors are just beginning to break through with colour blind casting, disabled actors are pushing for inclusion and for casting directors to see beyond the disability, female actors are taking traditional male roles eg Hamlet. The job is called acting. Not only can trans actors probably cope with playing non trans roles but hey! non trans actors can play trans characters. By your pointless attempt at being woke you are ignoring the push that other less well connected actors have been campaigning for for years.

@Brainwave89

Lot of quite harsh opinions here. I thought the film was very well acted. It is a legitimate view for Eddie to say that the role should have gone to a trans actor- as it was legitimate for Russell T Davies to argue that only gay people should be involved in his series Its a Sin. I personally do not agree, but I understand the sentiment as I do when able bodied people have played disabled roles. I am both supportive of trans rights, and the rights of women. We need to get to a point where we look beyond a very small number of areas where we need women only spaces and be more human and welcoming.

Surely the whole point of acting is pretending to be something you are not? What if gay actors don't want to only play gay roles, are they then not allowed to play straight roles? Or is it only straight actors who should stay in their lane? Surely your sexuality in real life shouldn't matter when you are playing a character.

Also: We need to get to a point where we look beyond a very small number of areas where we need women only spaces and be more human and welcoming. This is so patronising. Women are always expected to 'be kind', move over, make room, cowtow.... No. No it is not OK for us to have to give up single sex spaces just because you have decided on behalf of all of us that they don't matter.

Also - 'more human and welcoming' - do you say that to the TRAs throwing rape and death threats at women who object? Didn't think so.

The Cheery character is played by Jo Eaton-Kent. Jo is not a transwoman. Jo is non-binary. And enormous. 6 foot. Much bulkier than the actor playing Carrot, who is “dwarfed” as a result.

@OneEpisode

The Cheery character is played by Jo Eaton-Kent. Jo is not a transwoman. Jo is non-binary. And enormous. 6 foot. Much bulkier than the actor playing Carrot, who is “dwarfed” as a result.

Sorry, @OneEpisode. According to Stonewalls umbrella making that distinction makes you transphobic!

Crazy, but that's how it goes, acoding to Stonewall!

Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois

Fine, let the gobby faced arse play posh twats for ever more. There should be more than enough to keep him busy.

But I think I am gender-variant? Most of what I am wearing today (wfh) is clothes my son has outgrown. Pretty much everything except pants and bra. So am I a transwoman?

Or a transman, maybe!?

@Ghostsintheshelf

At least we know he wasn't appropriating when he he took the part of hypocritical, sexist Angel Clare in Tess of the d'Urbervilles.

Exactly! ( Mumnet truism: when a man shows you who he really is... )

Piss off, Eddie