TT Exulansic Youtube

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I've been watching TT Exulansic's videos on YouTube having seen a link to them on here. I have learnt so much - what she is sharing is so necessary in terms of this debate. I'm also finding them really upsetting. I'm so shocked by what I've seen and just wanted to talk about them here. If you haven't watched any yet, please do.

I have a condition which has meant having plastic surgery to make my body look more 'normal'. I've had multiple, very painful surgeries which have left me in a degree of chronic pain but ultimately, I have achieved my goal in that I now have a much more normal looking body which it is easier to go through life with. These surgeries have had a clear medical benefit beyond my appearance being changed, just to be clear. I have a medical condition which has objective markers. There is evidence having gone through these surgeries, I will now have better physical health in my old age and will be less likely to experience certain complications which the condition can end up causing so the benefits definitely aren't just cosmetic - it's just the cosmetic benefits meant a lot to me as a patient. My body was 'wrong' and that was badly affecting my mental health and so I've put myself through a lot to make it look 'right.'

So there I am with having gone through this journey and so I think watching these videos on YT feels that little bit more personal in some ways, even though I don't have gender dysphoria and my surgeries were completely different. I knew already that things like constructing a 'penis' out of someone's arm was utterly barbaric and had a high failure rate and I knew there could be complications with attempting to construct a vagina. I just had no idea how frequently there were complications and how dangerous this journey is. I suddenly have the view that it must be almost impossible to go through them safely - at the very least you are risking fissures and strictures and those can lead to serious complications. Just taking testosterone is likely to lead to heart damage, too. There are going to be so many people who go through these operations and who die prematurely because they end up with sepsis or other infections.

I just watched the latest video on Jazz. I felt sick to my stomach at that one in particular. How has this poor kid got any kind of future? Jazz is severely depressed, 150 pounds overweight, has no sexual functioning at all, has already experienced multiple surgeries and complications and is likely to experience more. It's a crime to be doing this to vulnerable young people. If Jazz hadn't had these surgeries, we'd be looking at a young man embarking on a degree at Harvard, perhaps at the beginning of a journey where he felt comfortable with his sex and his sexuality. He'd be out having fun. My surgeries were so incredibly tough but on balance, they were worth it and while I'm in pain here and there, I don't have any additional complications which will actually threaten my life. That isn't the case with trans surgeries. Surgeons are literally butchering healthy bodies. They must know they are. How have things been allowed to go in this direction? (I know the answer to that really)

I think the attack on TT commenced ostensibly for questioning the individual who gave the interview on youtube. The individual who said they had CAIS, but allegedly wrote a book under a previous name where they admitted they were raised as a boy, and then allegedly became a woman at 17. They also allegedly previously said they had PAIS, not CAIS. I believe it was her critical analysis (and exposure) of that person which people used to attack her. Now I think many a person has been waiting for a chance to take her out. She is an acerbically perspicacious. And says it as she honestly sees it, maybe without much care or attention to how it is received. But that is dangerous to any ideology which does not want to be examined or analysed. Hence the flurry of those who used the chance they had to try to silence her.

I don't think that TT was wrong on the technicality of it all. I think even Carole Hooven conceded that females can theoretically 'suffer' from the dsd but it has no impact as it doesn't affect the development of the female reproductive system. There are separate issues, of course. It does have wider implications for women and girls if men without any disorder are claiming they have a dsd. Women and girls matter too! Their safety and fairness. It wasn't TT who co-opted the disorder and brought it into this the same arena as this ideology. She reacted to a video given about this issue and which she perceived as dodgy. Her spidey senses may be proved right. I don't know why the ire is not directed at the people who are going around saying they have a dsd when they don't!

I was thinking about this and what would be my reaction if I had a child who suffered from a dsd. I think I would want to know as early as possible for their sake. It would be awful to just go along until they were at puberty and then have them find out they won't develop as anticipated as they don't have a female reproductive system. That would be more of a blow. And ultimately more cruel, I think.

It is so far beyond cruel & has put care for people born with DSD back years

I can see you disagree with her analysis and I think I mostly agree with you regarding CAIS.

I'm not sure that she is influencing care of people with DSDs though. She's just one person giving her views on the internet.

I would tell exactly that to a girl with CAIS, that Exulansic is not an expert on this subject. That she has followed this line of thinking due to men co-opting DSDs to justify the idea that transitioning from a man to a woman is possible.

I think you'll find plenty of people online still peddling that nonsense.

@ClareCAIS I would find it helpful if you could let me know which are the video(s) or parts of videos it is that you're finding so distressing.

I've said several times that I only dip in and out of Exulansic's content, depending on how badly I'm sleeping, frankly, and what I'm interested in. But I haven't seen anything that remotely corresponds with what you describe.

I absolutely believe that your distress is genuine, please don't think I'm saying otherwise. But, as this content has become contentious, I think I'd like to watch it myself and make up my own mind.

I don't know how I'd handle something like that. Or more importantly, help my child deal with it. I do not think ignorance is bliss though, and knowledge is not dehumanising. I would want to be aware of any issues as early as possible, precisely in order to ensure my child would receive the very best care they could.

And those comments, of course, will have gone. Which by the sound of it is for the best.

B Boyce talks to Claire Graham about all this.

Claire is a different Claire to ClareCAIS, I think?

She's an SEND teacher in the U.K. a video she shared publically on her Facebook page last year really did explain one particular POV which is that all these bloody LGBT charities who go into schools and go on about the I and hormones and genitals are publicly dissecting a physical difference that's highly personal, presenting as evidence for actual trans and destroying work of charities for these individuals.

I actually haven't followed enough of this to fully understand the detailed arguments around E. Issac laid into Dr fond of beetles on twitter which wasn't at all nice.

Testing at birth is very difficult; I had the full NIPT test with my second child, and mixed feelings about it. To find out a wider range of congenital conditions that might not be compatible with life, it revealed my baby's sex as it included an arrange of trisonomies. I was painfully aware of how these tests are used to abort girls around the world as well as conditions where the child would grow up relatively healthy.

@Cailleach1

I don't know how I'd handle something like that. Or more importantly, help my child deal with it. I do not think ignorance is bliss though, and knowledge is not dehumanising. I would want to be aware of any issues as early as possible, precisely in order to ensure my child would receive the very best care they could.

I think this is a key point and why is absolutely fucking horrific that the lgbtq charities have adopted and coopted the inaccurate "I" as it's really distracted and redirected funding and sensitive social understanding about people with these conditions.

I think this is a key point and why is absolutely fucking horrific that the lgbtq charities have adopted and coopted the inaccurate "I"

This is where the problem lies. Those Exulansic videos exist because of the conflation of DSDs with gender identity ideology.

That's how I see it Lovely. Unfortunately we do occasionally have to discuss it to bust myths. I have several friends who did think trans was something to do with dsds.

I do feel for you Clare, I don't think anyone would normally have an issue with this at all.

@WarriorN

That's how I see it Lovely. Unfortunately we do occasionally have to discuss it to bust myths. I have several friends who did think trans was something to do with dsds.

I'm going to say that they never did right up until the point where they were subject to misinformation or disinformation on this topic that serves the agenda of several parties, none of whom have VSDs or care about the outcomes or wider consequences for people who have them.

Yes I expect you're right Embarrassing

One friend I've not yet talked to shared this on fb, which is utter bollocks, using variations of sexual development to excuse his identification as trans. It flummoxes everyone further as this person is apparently a neuroscientist. Was also was on some popular podcast (which my friend shared) where the presenter apologised for getting it all wrong and fawned.

blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

I totally understand why you would feel so strongly about this. I cannot imagine how incredibly distressing it must be to have your whole world turned upside down in your teens. And to have that happen in today's schools, where it seems every other teenager is playing games with pronouns and using myths about intersex to support them, must be extraordinarily difficult to navigate. Please believe me when I say I'm not trying to downplay that at all.

However, if I've found the right video ("Dalea Rundblad's Motivated, Scientifically Inaccurate Propaganda") then as far as I can tell is it's Exulansic correcting mis-information. Yes, she's doing it in her characteristically ascerbic style. Yes, it's heavy on the science and light on the empathy (although there is some of the latter there). But it's nothing like as heinous as some of the posts on here would suggest.

Now, I haven't seen the comments on the original youtube video, of course. And it may be there's more content I've missed. I find Exulansics unscripted live feeds almost unwatchable, so don't. So it's possible there is more egregious content out there that I haven't seen.

But, on the basis of what I've seen, I don't think Exulansic is the problem. I think the problems are misinformation and the way DSDs have been exploited by TRAs to support their particular agenda.

I also have a rare genetic disorder. I learned about mine in my early twenties. It's likely to send me blind (career ending, for me), means I would be vanishingly unlikely to successfully carry a child to term, and is life-shortening. So I'm not entirely clueless about what it feels like to have a life-changing diagnosis dumped on you when it seems everyone else is healthy and happy. I know when I was newly diagnosed I couldn't watch any content with any discussion of sight impairment, or anything with a blind character in it; it was just too raw. Looking at other people's babies hurt, because I knew I wouldn't have one.

I'm not intending to conflate your experiences and mine. Mine wasn't identity changing, for one. And I received it in adulthood, which is clearly easier. Plus it isn't something which is subject to prurient interest or used in political debate. I know it's different.

But I do wonder if - in the same way I found any mention of anything related so distressing - you are in part responding to Exulansic's content through the lens of your own distress? Because, at least on what I've seen, which I know isn't everything, I haven't seen anything which would come close to being "clearly sexual harassment", as IntersexTruther said upthread, or would justify her channel being taken down.

If I've missed it then please point me towards it. I am very open to having my mind changed. But that's where I am now.

Clare, I have recently shared that with a large group of teachers who were completely misinformed. It's now very firmly on my bookmark list. Interestingly tumbleweed afterwards.

I will be sharing it again in the future as it makes so many really important points that so few have considered, particularly about the coopting and appropriation of dsd/ vsds by the trans lobby.

TT is on a You're Kiddin Right? video on youtube discussing what happened. It all seems indeed to have stemmed from that interview with a person who claimed to have CAIS, but subsequent discoveries makes one suspect if they have any issue at all. Lots of the bros saw their chance to use this issue as a way to take down TT. These sort of people are the problem, IMO. We're seeing coordinated misogyny in action.

I think KD may have always been on the ball with that beardie bloke. Another woman whose spidey senses work well.

I'm aware of something going on re BB via 'you're kidding.'

The above video may be BB but Claire Graham's points are good (she now works for a charity) and illustrate the issue that it's the tras that have caused all this.