TT Exulansic Youtube

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I've been watching TT Exulansic's videos on YouTube having seen a link to them on here. I have learnt so much - what she is sharing is so necessary in terms of this debate. I'm also finding them really upsetting. I'm so shocked by what I've seen and just wanted to talk about them here. If you haven't watched any yet, please do.

I have a condition which has meant having plastic surgery to make my body look more 'normal'. I've had multiple, very painful surgeries which have left me in a degree of chronic pain but ultimately, I have achieved my goal in that I now have a much more normal looking body which it is easier to go through life with. These surgeries have had a clear medical benefit beyond my appearance being changed, just to be clear. I have a medical condition which has objective markers. There is evidence having gone through these surgeries, I will now have better physical health in my old age and will be less likely to experience certain complications which the condition can end up causing so the benefits definitely aren't just cosmetic - it's just the cosmetic benefits meant a lot to me as a patient. My body was 'wrong' and that was badly affecting my mental health and so I've put myself through a lot to make it look 'right.'

So there I am with having gone through this journey and so I think watching these videos on YT feels that little bit more personal in some ways, even though I don't have gender dysphoria and my surgeries were completely different. I knew already that things like constructing a 'penis' out of someone's arm was utterly barbaric and had a high failure rate and I knew there could be complications with attempting to construct a vagina. I just had no idea how frequently there were complications and how dangerous this journey is. I suddenly have the view that it must be almost impossible to go through them safely - at the very least you are risking fissures and strictures and those can lead to serious complications. Just taking testosterone is likely to lead to heart damage, too. There are going to be so many people who go through these operations and who die prematurely because they end up with sepsis or other infections.

I just watched the latest video on Jazz. I felt sick to my stomach at that one in particular. How has this poor kid got any kind of future? Jazz is severely depressed, 150 pounds overweight, has no sexual functioning at all, has already experienced multiple surgeries and complications and is likely to experience more. It's a crime to be doing this to vulnerable young people. If Jazz hadn't had these surgeries, we'd be looking at a young man embarking on a degree at Harvard, perhaps at the beginning of a journey where he felt comfortable with his sex and his sexuality. He'd be out having fun. My surgeries were so incredibly tough but on balance, they were worth it and while I'm in pain here and there, I don't have any additional complications which will actually threaten my life. That isn't the case with trans surgeries. Surgeons are literally butchering healthy bodies. They must know they are. How have things been allowed to go in this direction? (I know the answer to that really)

I don't have any control over YouTube. What the hell are you talking about it's just a picture.

I don't have any control over YouTube. What the hell are you talking about it's just a picture.

It doesn't look like that to me. It looks like you're admitting you had a hand in the channel being taken down again and your meme says, sorry, with the smirk implying not sorry really. You're free to act in accordance with your conscience but we're not impressed with the gloating.

@IntersexTruther I would be interested in understanding how you can say with such confidence why Exulansic's channel was deleted, when it is something you had nothing to do with.

Clare

I have a question if you don’t mind

I understand that any people discussing any differences in sex development is this context is not something you wish. I most certainly don’t wish to discuss these differences unless it is necessary.

When we see TRAs using people’s bodies, how would you suggest we approach it? Because I, and many others on this board, simply try to shut the discussion down saying it is wrong and it is offensive. But they simply keep coming with the statements and the articles. And the fact that there are organisations that represent those with these differences publishing statements that support the views they are posting.

After all, the ‘I’ is there with the ‘QT’.

Is there a way you would suggest that you have found to shut down those forcing the discussion?

Unfortunately. Simply pointing out that someone is politicising people’s bodies in a discussion where it is clearly only being discussed to support ‘who is allowed in the single sex spaces’ is not usually successful as these posters are very entrenched and only on this board to goad. (Ie. They expect to be banned anyway so there aim is to be as monstrous as they can be).

Unfortunately. Simply pointing out that someone is politicising people’s bodies in a discussion where it is clearly only being discussed to support ‘who is allowed in the single sex spaces’ is not usually successful as these posters are very entrenched and only on this board to goad.

There was a particularly egregious example of that yesterday.

There most certainly was Eresh.

And in the UK, groups should not be using the I - although continue to do this on the advice of a very likely ‘intersex-faker’ - however, even Stonewall dropped the I after being asked to do this by DSD/intersex groups

I am horrified at the number of people who self-diagnose and promote themselves as intersex with no thought at all as to what this does to the public understanding of this area, far less the needs of the people at the heart of it, and what this self-id might mean for research funding or rigour.

There's a lot of self diagnose people who wander around calling themselves "intersex" because it makes them feel more affirmed.

I think there's a trans Tory mp who now claims this. Or did on the website a while back. Had had a marriage and kids.

Allegedly the person who gave a recent interview (in the US) about how they were CAIS, had written a book under a previous name in 2008 claiming they suffered from PAIS; and was actually raised as a boy.

As such, surely they knew they weren't female and were never going to have a female reproductive system? That is if they ever even had PAIS.

Does SW not use the I? Here in Canada I always see it.

I've wondered why there hasn't been a stronger demand by DSD groups to have them stop using it, because it seems kind of shitty for them to set themselves up as speaking for or referring to people that have nothing to do with them.

Just seen that her channel has been deleted. Wtf. I hope she finds another platform. Does anyone know if she's anywhere else?

@beastlyslumber I posted the link to her new site, and my post has come up hidden. But if you google odysee and exulansic you'll find her.

Thanks @motorina. I read back through the thread and think I've found her. I only ever followed the Jazz videos, am completely at sea with the rest of the discussion, but hope that she continues with those.

@beastlyslumber me too. That and the ones that focused on phalloplasty. I really feel like she's gone down an unfortunate rabbithole of late.

Her phalloplasty files were hard to watch but very illuminating. I had no idea what was involved & how horrific the whole procedure was for the patient. God knows why anyone would put themselves through that.
Isn’t it ironic that it appears that less men are opting for vaginoplasty but so many young women are putting themselves through phalloplasty, with worse outcomes.

[quote Motorina]@beastlyslumber me too. That and the ones that focused on phalloplasty. I really feel like she's gone down an unfortunate rabbithole of late.[/quote]
Can you explain what rabbithole she has gone down and why it is unfortunate? Is it unfortunate because it is what lead to channel deletion?

I like her videos (though many are too distressing to watch in full) but I missed why she was removed from youtube (other than social media companies bend over backwards to support TIMs but care nothing for women).

She appears to have been vindicated about that person being suspect, though. They allegedly started living 'as a woman' at 17. Whatever that means, in any sense.

The discussion over that person started the brouhaha, I think. However, they may not be kosher. I really think TT was arguing the point; and I believe was correct on the substantive point. The technicality, so to speak.

Some genuine discussion, but many sensed they could use the topic as a cover for attack.

Can you explain what rabbithole she has gone down and why it is unfortunate? Is it unfortunate because it is what lead to channel deletion?

Not very well, because I'm not involved, and only dip in and out of her content. But from my perspective she's moved from stuff about healthcare/surgeries for trans people, where she clearly knew her stuff, to making quite sweeping diagnosis on the basis of very little evidence or apparent professional expertise. And some of her latest stuff - where she's portaying herself I think as the victim of antisemitism and possibly prejudice related in 17th century witchcraft (it's really really not clear to me) - is just plain odd.

It's been alledged upthread that she was banned from twitter due to her CAIS content. I'm not goign to comment further on that because I haven't seen it, and because there's clearly deeply held views on all sides. I don't think an uninformed voice adding to that is helpful.

@Motorina

Can you explain what rabbithole she has gone down and why it is unfortunate? Is it unfortunate because it is what lead to channel deletion?

Not very well, because I'm not involved, and only dip in and out of her content. But from my perspective she's moved from stuff about healthcare/surgeries for trans people, where she clearly knew her stuff, to making quite sweeping diagnosis on the basis of very little evidence or apparent professional expertise. And some of her latest stuff - where she's portaying herself I think as the victim of antisemitism and possibly prejudice related in 17th century witchcraft (it's really really not clear to me) - is just plain odd.

It's been alledged upthread that she was banned from twitter due to her CAIS content. I'm not goign to comment further on that because I haven't seen it, and because there's clearly deeply held views on all sides. I don't think an uninformed voice adding to that is helpful.

Thanks... I interpret her as trying her best to get to the truth... I am not sure that she would ever claim that she is diagnosing patients she has never met, and who she is not formally qualified to diagnose, to perfection. This is normal - few people only comment when they are 100% sure they are right.

I think that she has a right to bring up anti-semitism if she sees anti-semitic tropes in the criticism of her. I also think that "witch hunts" against women like her who dare to be different are easy to compare to literal witch hunts.

The CAIS stuff is totally over my head, but from what I've seen her position might be right and might be a flawed but honest attempt at the truth. I don't see it as in any way ban-worthy, but I might be missing something.

Thanks again for replying.

That is incredibly harsh of her, Clare - I'm quite shocked, TBH.