TT Exulansic Youtube

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I've been watching TT Exulansic's videos on YouTube having seen a link to them on here. I have learnt so much - what she is sharing is so necessary in terms of this debate. I'm also finding them really upsetting. I'm so shocked by what I've seen and just wanted to talk about them here. If you haven't watched any yet, please do.

I have a condition which has meant having plastic surgery to make my body look more 'normal'. I've had multiple, very painful surgeries which have left me in a degree of chronic pain but ultimately, I have achieved my goal in that I now have a much more normal looking body which it is easier to go through life with. These surgeries have had a clear medical benefit beyond my appearance being changed, just to be clear. I have a medical condition which has objective markers. There is evidence having gone through these surgeries, I will now have better physical health in my old age and will be less likely to experience certain complications which the condition can end up causing so the benefits definitely aren't just cosmetic - it's just the cosmetic benefits meant a lot to me as a patient. My body was 'wrong' and that was badly affecting my mental health and so I've put myself through a lot to make it look 'right.'

So there I am with having gone through this journey and so I think watching these videos on YT feels that little bit more personal in some ways, even though I don't have gender dysphoria and my surgeries were completely different. I knew already that things like constructing a 'penis' out of someone's arm was utterly barbaric and had a high failure rate and I knew there could be complications with attempting to construct a vagina. I just had no idea how frequently there were complications and how dangerous this journey is. I suddenly have the view that it must be almost impossible to go through them safely - at the very least you are risking fissures and strictures and those can lead to serious complications. Just taking testosterone is likely to lead to heart damage, too. There are going to be so many people who go through these operations and who die prematurely because they end up with sepsis or other infections.

I just watched the latest video on Jazz. I felt sick to my stomach at that one in particular. How has this poor kid got any kind of future? Jazz is severely depressed, 150 pounds overweight, has no sexual functioning at all, has already experienced multiple surgeries and complications and is likely to experience more. It's a crime to be doing this to vulnerable young people. If Jazz hadn't had these surgeries, we'd be looking at a young man embarking on a degree at Harvard, perhaps at the beginning of a journey where he felt comfortable with his sex and his sexuality. He'd be out having fun. My surgeries were so incredibly tough but on balance, they were worth it and while I'm in pain here and there, I don't have any additional complications which will actually threaten my life. That isn't the case with trans surgeries. Surgeons are literally butchering healthy bodies. They must know they are. How have things been allowed to go in this direction? (I know the answer to that really)

@IntersexTruther wouldn’t it have been better to debate the subject with her rather than getting her channel taken down?
I thought she should have left the CAIS subject out of her topics because it really shouldn’t be dragged into the trans debate at all, because that’s what the TRAs do as some kind of gotcha.
I also thought the caricature wasn’t that bad at all & she overreacted to it.
Despite that the light she was shining on the SRS industry was very good & gaining her a lot of subscribers.

That's interesting, @motorina. I'm not a psychologist and I'm VERY careful with my scope of practice so this isn't a diagnosis - but I would be interested in what someone who specialises in neurodiversity would make of her videos.

I think she's bright and an original thinker. I liked her droll style and her "FFS, I'm so OVER this" tone with, what I thought was, compassion for the people making clearly terrible choices in public.

When you've got a great approach on a tricky subject and people start subscribing and you start making money - well you've got to come up with content.

I wonder whether she started to look around pubmed to support her ideas and that, with a bit of time pressure and a large dose of hubris, lead to poorly thought out work.

I can see that the CAIS content could do great harm.

@ClareCAIS @IntersexTruther are there people you would recommend with evidence based information about DSDs?

You know, the ones not already banned everywhere..

Thanks, @ClareCAISthat's what I'm looking for - information which has basis in fact and not an amateur's opinion.

I hope the woman comes back online, I agree, it's important to hear voices.

I think our first thoughts (or mine at least) were that she had been brought down by a targeted TRA campaign and was a GC voice being silenced for speaking out. It turns out something quite different has been going on.

That was my first thought too but I'm reserving judgement on whether it was something different. If the Intersex Truther posting here is the person who has a YouTube channel by the same name then it's worth noting that they have two videos up, both of which are take downs of GC women despite the fact that it is TRA's who have used, "what about intersex' as an argument for years. Presumably there is content in the pipeline challenging the TRA narrative.

I agree with ClaireCAIS, targeting a woman who was trying to be a voice for other women with CAIS is reprehensible. DSD's and self ID are not related issues.

I didn't agree with exulansic appearing (I haven't seen the whole video hence "appearing") to appeal to her subscribers to dog pile BB. These are TRA tactics and we've always complained about the "both sides" arguement so we need to make sure we don't stoop to their level.

I think exulansic was more arguing the point. If some people were born with internal testes, they were born with internal testes - irrespective of anyone's feelings about it. She was rebutting factually incorrect statements and conclusions by other people.

On being banned, it would be interesting to see if youtube bans videos which not only air false statements, but are actively misogynistic or sexist. Or slur other characteristic such as disability, nationality or ethnicity. If they don't, then they are merely falling with what is ideologically bent. And promote misinformation.

I would be surprised if exulansic was targeted for anything other than critically analysing the falsification of reality and predatory tactics of men. Not any other issue. I suspect any other issue was used as a false flag. That is only my suspicion, of course.

I find the videos give an illuminating outline into the pretences, actions and behaviours of very dodgy men. And genres of men.

I'm not talking about CAIS, or dsd's in my post above!

Not just men either. In Ireland, women co-operated in the incarceration of women who had children out of wedlock. Incarceration of young girls who were pregnant as a result of raped or abused, while the 'fathers' carried on scot free. Maybe to happily abuse women, girls and children all their lives without any consequences.

No wonder Amnesty Ireland and their fellow travellers are so comfortable to try to stomp on Irish women's rights.

But I digress! Just to point out that handmaidens are used as part of general societies misogyny - as part of the control by an Ideology or religion.

This is a robust, yet respectful and informative rebuttal of Exulansic's standpoint on CAIS women, mostly from the social and legal standpoint. This is the sort of discussion that is needed, whoever's viewpoint you agree with, not censorship and being thrown off a platform that has any number of dubious, ill informed and potentially damaging content, on a plethora of issues, that is allowed to remain.

How else do you expect people to understand what CAIS means (on a medical, social and practical level), and to appreciate that DSDs should not be conflated with gender dysphoria/trans identities, without discussion? The conflation and co-opting of your condition was made by the trans rights lobby. That genie is not going back in the bottle any time soon. I can understand (not agree with, understand) why some hardline gender critic thinkers want to draw a line in the sand and establish a very strict male and female line. TRAs have pushed a ridiculously extreme definition of "woman" onto mainstream society. Gender criticals are trying to push that definition right back in the other direction, and any chink in the armour is exploited and co-opted by TRAs. People with DSDs absolutely should be the people the strict rules of sex segregation are being bent for, but only them, and for the specific reasons that pertain only to them. How can people understand this without discussion?

I would far prefer a discussion of our needs & not the endless & dehumanising debates about our bodies

I've really not known what to make of all this; I'm finding it mind boggling and this above from Clare is absolutely where the conversation lies.

Few realise that that some of these differences mean that individual have specific health and even learning needs.

The lgbtq etc charities co opting all this are diverting important funding away from those charities who specifically support different conditions.

This particular piece by Clare is well worth a read.

https://differently-normal.com/2021/10/25/the-invention-of-intersex/

It's a form of sexual harassment this being waged toward women with DSD. It's extraordinary the feminist are not opposing this.

I think many are; I'm certainly furious we are forced to have to explore this.

I teach in a school for children with SEND; I may well teach children with these conditions.

I can't imagine what it's like for young people, especially girls, who may have only just found out that they have a dsd and will be infertile to have this all analysed in RSE lessons through charities' stupid proclamations via stupid teachers and then the accompanying discussion spilling out online.

@ClareCAIS

I am feeling so angry and upset about what she has done to a woman with CAIS, who was sharing her own story to try & make newly diagnosed teens feel less alone - it’s just horrible & seems very much a way to try & force us back into living with secrecy & shame :(

I didn't know about this, and I'm shocked.

DSD and transppl are completely different.

People with DSD have tried repeatedly to dissociate themselves from trans lobby, but TRAs insist on using their (medical) situation to justify transgenderism.

'the feminists'? Gosh, you're right. They are the true villains of every piece, and they're always to blame. For everything. If the cat don't meow, blame it on Ned Kelly the feminists.

She's so bright and wellread she thinks she knows stuff (and sounds very convincing) but she lacks the clinical experience to contextualise it.

It reads as if Exulansic lacks the humility that is desirable in someone who is smart—the humility and wisdom to know when it's time to talk to someone who knows. Exulansic might have chosen to interview some knowledgeable people about this traumatic and difficult area of knowledge and experience and maybe had a useful reality check about whether it was appropriate to discuss it outside of particular contexts.

[quote ClareCAIS]@LilithOfEden this has now been endlessly discussed for at least the last three years, with every part of our body being discussed in the most dehumanising ways - and the same arguments go round and round and round.

The CAIS woman harassed by Exulansic put herself out there as a way to make people feel less alone, and this resulted in her being ridiculed in YouTube videos - & I’ve put myself out there as a way to share accurate information & offer support to families - & it is more than a little horrific to think that if I made a video or podcast, people would dissect everything about my body in these horrible ways.[/quote]
Yes, we're all tired, but unfortunately none of us have the ability to snap our fingers and make the kind of activism exemplified by SW et al go away or resolve in some rational fashion.

@Cailleach1

'the feminists'? Gosh, you're right. They are the true villains of every piece, and they're always to blame. For everything. If the cat don't meow, blame it on Ned Kelly the feminists.

A lawyer friend of mine looked at the video and it was clearly sexual harassment, so I'm not blaming feminism. That's what's happening, and nothing else matters. Her sex organs were objectified and she made rude and explicit comments about them. That's why her channel was removed.

I repeat, I haven’t seen the video in question. If it is as is being said, it is of course unacceptable. And I have documented concerns about some of Exulansic’s content which predate this storm.

But you say “nothing else matters”.

I disagree.

I think the way women have been repeatedly silenced when we have spoken up for women’s rights matters. I think ‘no debate matters’. I think what we are doing to our kids in the name of gender acceptance matters. And there’s a long history of silencing and deplatforming women who stand up against that, running from force feeding suffragettes right up to what happened to Kathleen Stock. That matters.

And treating people with dsd with dignity and respect matters, too. But it’s not the only thing that matters.

In that context, I find this sort of gloating about silencing another woman profoundly distasteful.

If the video is as is alleged (I repeat, I haven’t seen it) then I would have no issue in taking that video down. But silencing a woman and gloating about it is something I do not and cannot support.

That mean had nothing to do with YouTube taking action against EX. It's a Game of Thrones meme.