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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Labour member suspended for saying only women go through menopause

144 replies

poshme · 18/11/2021 16:44

Not sure if it's anywhere else, but according Guido Fawkes, a Labour member has been suspended for saying on Facebook that only women go through the menopause.

order-order.com/2021/11/18/labour-in-hot-flush-after-member-suspended-for-saying-only-women-experience-the-menopause/

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ScribblingPixie · 19/11/2021 23:17

I saw your husband's Tweets, MrsHouse, and felt relieved that decent men are speaking up. I wonder if a woman would have got a letter saying it was all an admin error?

ScribblingPixie · 19/11/2021 23:22

And I see I'm not the first or even the second to have that thought.

PigletJohn · 19/11/2021 23:26

"In a shock turn of events, hmm Gil received a letter this evening explaining that the initial letter was "an administrative error", he is not suspended and no further action will be taken."

I'm actually rather pleased to see them reversing from the position originally reported.

Bringing this matter into the open has perhaps done some good.

Rubidium · 19/11/2021 23:33

Oh bloody hell Labour
twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1461756090689990659

"Trans rights are human rights. That's why the next Labour Govt will also update the Gender Recognition Act to enable a process of self-identification while continuing to support the Equality Act, including the single sex exemption"

But if you bring in self ID then single sex exemptions become meaningless...

Full threaad here:
twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1461756079902240768

TheMenopausalMrsHouse · 19/11/2021 23:44

Thank Gil, but don't thank me, I've been chortling my head off since we got the first letter. Any excuse to say "I was right". And I was. Like always.Grin Enough angry drinking for me, I think!

Redshoeblueshoe · 19/11/2021 23:47

MrsH I bet your DH has loads more followers now - probably several from this thread

ErrolTheDragon · 20/11/2021 00:05

An 'admin error'? What, someone typed those ridiculous 'charges' randomly, did they?Hmm

Mollyollydolly · 20/11/2021 01:14

[quote Rubidium]Oh bloody hell Labour
twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1461756090689990659

"Trans rights are human rights. That's why the next Labour Govt will also update the Gender Recognition Act to enable a process of self-identification while continuing to support the Equality Act, including the single sex exemption"

But if you bring in self ID then single sex exemptions become meaningless...

Full threaad here:
twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1461756079902240768[/quote]
What I don't understand about Labour is why they are going down this route when it is so obviously unpopular, especially now it's getting daylight. It really does seem they don't want to ever get elected again. They seem to be about two years behind the debate. I mean what use are you if you cant get power. We're stuck with Boris the dickhead for infinity and beyond.

Mollyollydolly · 20/11/2021 01:17

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

In a shock turn of events, Hmm Gil received a letter this evening explaining that the initial letter was "an administrative error", he is not suspended and no further action will be taken. And soz for any distress or confusion caused, but hey, all good, yeah?

I see you, Labour, and you disgust me. And there's a lot of people who see you for what you are, and the bad news is that we are not as stupid or as naive as you obviously think we are. You lost my vote a long time ago and I am no where near being persuaded to give you another chance.

He has had a lot of support from some local activists, and I think it would be fair to say that they are the one reason he would reconsider his resignation. Labour don't deserve it.

That's the power of social media I guess and people pointing out they're discriminating against him. They think we're daft as brushes.
xxyzz · 20/11/2021 05:33

@Mollyollydolly

Labour is going down this route for the same reason it recently became the party of antisemites - it believes, rightly or wrongly, that the old Labour coalition of voters who voted on class-based lines (the actual 'Marxist' analysis the Telegraph misrepresents in its quote above), no longer exist in large enough numbers to win an election (see Red Wall voters as evidence).

They have also lost Scottish and Welsh voters to nationalist parties.

So they are trying to appeal to a new generation of voters on identity-based grounds. These voters don't care about the poor or disadvantaged, they care about identity only, whether that's gender identity or a spurious 'anti-Zionist' ideology which entirely coincidentally looks exactly like old-fashioned antisemitism to Jews at the sharp end of it.

Of course Labour's change of tack is a fool's errand, because for every young voter they attract because they agree with their support for trans rights and the male menopause, etc, they lose another older voter (or more than one) who are sick to the back teeth of identity politics and want Labour to get back to its mission of protecting the poor and struggling, and recognising reality, rather than being hamstrung by a collection of blatantly ridiculous (and misogynist and racist) ideologies.

So Labour won't win any elections. And I daresay will continue to slug it out on the far left, fighting for votes with the Greens and SNP on which party can be the biggest ideologues and sound the purest, in embracing misogyny and racism to appeal to the woke few.

Meanwhile the Tories clean up.

xxyzz · 20/11/2021 06:07

As a Jewish former Labour member (left over Ken Livingstone, when I could give them the benefit of the doubt over their blatant antisemitism no more) it breaks my heart to see the party formerly of anti-racists, of women's rights and of the working class turn into the inverse of its former self.

There are no parties that represent me currently or deserve my vote. So depressing. Sad

eurochick · 20/11/2021 06:19

How can a letter like that be an administrative error? How did it get typed and sent by accident? Is this a version of the theory that if you give a roomful of monkeys typewriters they will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare? Give labour activists access to keyboards and they will eventually churn out accusations of transphobia entirely by accident?

LittleEsme · 20/11/2021 06:32

@foxgoosefinch

Aaaand pop goes any chance of me rejoining as a member or even voting Labour.

Keir Starmer has been an utter, utter disappointment on this (not the only area where he’s a disappointment tbh); and despite never having in my life voted for any other party for 25 years I can’t bring myself to vote for them again. Specifically over this issue. Never thought I’d see the day, but hey, it not the only bit of the world that’s gone mad.

100% this.
LittleEsme · 20/11/2021 06:52

Just RTFT.

Sending thanks to your DH @TheMenopausalMrsHouse

This issue needs as much light as possible.

highame · 20/11/2021 07:43

This is fantastic. This idea of controlling language (CRT, Queer Theory or some such) might be hitting the buffers soon.

Anyone else hitting that point where anger is being replaced by hilarity

Packingsoapandwater · 20/11/2021 07:56

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

In a shock turn of events, Hmm Gil received a letter this evening explaining that the initial letter was "an administrative error", he is not suspended and no further action will be taken. And soz for any distress or confusion caused, but hey, all good, yeah?

I see you, Labour, and you disgust me. And there's a lot of people who see you for what you are, and the bad news is that we are not as stupid or as naive as you obviously think we are. You lost my vote a long time ago and I am no where near being persuaded to give you another chance.

He has had a lot of support from some local activists, and I think it would be fair to say that they are the one reason he would reconsider his resignation. Labour don't deserve it.

So someone has engaged in a bit of crisis management: aka. a phone call has come from on high.

What a way to run a political party. We all deserve better than this appalling crap.

Packingsoapandwater · 20/11/2021 08:03

@highame

This is fantastic. This idea of controlling language (CRT, Queer Theory or some such) might be hitting the buffers soon.

Anyone else hitting that point where anger is being replaced by hilarity

I'm afraid, for me, it is being replaced by utter disdain. And I'm not a disdainful person. I dislike the feeling immensely.

I don't want to be so disappointed by the people who wish to run, or do run, government. I want to have a sense that they are competent, or at least that their heart is in the right place, that they actually like people.

But more and more, I feel that this is not remotely the case. We seem to have activists on all the parties that actively loathe the human race itself.

RedCarpetRebellion · 20/11/2021 08:09

@Packingsoapandwater

They don’t loath the human race itself,
they loath women and gender non conformity in anyone.

Escapedgoats · 20/11/2021 08:17

What an admin error!Shock Good job they spotted it and did a u-turn no gaslighting there.

Shedmistress · 20/11/2021 08:52

At least this means they concede that it is only women that go through the menopause.

Admin error. Aye.

RedCarpetRebellion · 20/11/2021 09:04

@Shedmistress

At least this means they concede that it is only women that go through the menopause.

Admin error. Aye.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

Another thanks to your husband.

Is he planning on challenging how it could have been an ‘administration error’?

If so-and no judgement if not- can he insist they clarify @Shedmistress point? In writing maybe?

Childrenofthestones · 20/11/2021 09:07

@foxgoosefinch

Aaaand pop goes any chance of me rejoining as a member or even voting Labour.

Keir Starmer has been an utter, utter disappointment on this (not the only area where he’s a disappointment tbh); and despite never having in my life voted for any other party for 25 years I can’t bring myself to vote for them again. Specifically over this issue. Never thought I’d see the day, but hey, it not the only bit of the world that’s gone mad.

When they eventually walk away from this madness it will only be because it has cost them too many voters and not because they have come to their senses. That's why I will never vote Labour again after a life time of voting for them. Well that and the fact it was under a Labour Prime minister and home secretary that the police were told to ignore the rape of thousands of girls by grooming gangs as the children were making an informed choice. www.change.org/p/the-british-council-inquiry-gordon-brown-jackie-smith-mp-permitting-sexual-abuse
ChristinaXYZ · 20/11/2021 10:29

@eurochick

How can a letter like that be an administrative error? How did it get typed and sent by accident? Is this a version of the theory that if you give a roomful of monkeys typewriters they will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare? Give labour activists access to keyboards and they will eventually churn out accusations of transphobia entirely by accident?
"Give labour activists access to keyboards and they will eventually churn out accusations of transphobia entirely by accident?"

I am going to laughing about that for days!

ErrolTheDragon · 20/11/2021 10:43

"Give labour activists access to keyboards and they will eventually churn out accusations of transphobia entirely by accident?"

With predictive text, the probability might be quite high!

TheMenopausalMrsHouse · 20/11/2021 10:57

@eurochick I think that's a pretty apt analogy for a party being led by an army of keyboard warriors.

@Shedmistress I wish that was true but there was no mention of the charges in the letter just that the case was reviewed and it's not being taken further, a let's pretend the whole thing never happened vibe. I don't think we can read that as accepting biological fact, just an attempt to brush the whole episode under the carpet.