Labour member suspended for saying only women go through menopause

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Not sure if it's anywhere else, but according Guido Fawkes, a Labour member has been suspended for saying on Facebook that only women go through the menopause.

order-order.com/2021/11/18/labour-in-hot-flush-after-member-suspended-for-saying-only-women-experience-the-menopause/

he became very vocal in his support of Rosie.

Ah.

I hadn't read the full thread. Thank you to your husband, MrsHouse. I am sorry for what has happened to him.

@ArabellaScott

I find the continuing decline of the opposition frightening.

Me too. I don't understand how it's been allowed to get this bad, knowing the public reaction and continuing down this path. I swear they've been infiltrated by the opposition, it seems so obvious that they're on a bad road..and yet they continue day after day.

Does anybody remember the part in Blackadder where Baldrick is trying to reassemble Dr Johnson's dictionary and states emphatically that the definition of the word 'Dog' is 'not a cat' ?

Chilling to know that the modern Labour party is now run along the exact same principles of 'commitment to fact' as the most OTT buffoon character in an already gloriously absurd historical COMEDY programme - depending on which arbitrary way the wind happens to be blowing on a particular day.

Labour is finished. Absolutely finished. We have one of the worst governments in history and even at the end of a horrendous fortnight for the Tories Labour is only edging ahead in the polls.

I know. It used to break my heart that Labour was so unpopular. Now I have to hope Labour never comes to power until it drops its plans for self-ID.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

Please thank your husband, and you too.

This insane ideology is incredibly damaging to women. Fortunately, we are now beginning to speak about it more openly. And it's fairly apparent that hardly anyone agrees with it.

He's so done the right thing, good for him. This doesn't affect men as much as women, so they're often a little slower to get it. If he wants to see how bad it's getting, tell him to take a look at what the IOC have come up with in terms of women's sport.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4405254-transgender-athletes-should-not-have-to-lower-testosterone-to-compete-ioc-says-as-it-changes-guidelines

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse to him You have a keeper there I reckon

Gil would like to say thank you to everyone for their support. He's a bit overwhelmed about how much attention this has had, and feels a little bad for having hijacked the original twitter thread that had some very moving stories about losing friendships because of the insanity of gender ideology.

And, personally, I'd like to thank the witches of Mumsnet and Spartacus, because that opened my eyes, and started many a heated discussion over the kitchen table and ended with Gil reading Helen Joyce's book before me. Every chink of sunlight and all that! And to my IRL friend that told me about this thread and Gil being properly famous on MN.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

Gil would like to say thank you to everyone for their support. He's a bit overwhelmed about how much attention this has had, and feels a little bad for having hijacked the original twitter thread that had some very moving stories about losing friendships because of the insanity of gender ideology.

And, personally, I'd like to thank the witches of Mumsnet and Spartacus, because that opened my eyes, and started many a heated discussion over the kitchen table and ended with Gil reading Helen Joyce's book before me. Every chink of sunlight and all that! And to my IRL friend that told me about this thread and Gil being properly famous on MN.

and thanks to both of you.

Every bit of sunlight cast on this nonsense alerts a few more people. It all helps. Xx

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

This is my husband. He has been a committed member of his Labour Party branch, a lot of his spare time has been spent working for the local party, and he was campaigning for a neighbouring council by-election right up to the moment he opened that email. This is as much about branch politics as anything, and I am very glad that it is blowing up in their faces. Recent health problems encouraged him to decided to resign rather than fight the suspension and he felt that even if he fought it, he has lost his trust in the other members of his branch who reported him rather than respect a difference of opinion. If you challenge a suspension, you are not supposed to talk about the reasons behind the suspension, and, he felt that this was something that needed to be talked about.

He says he is simultaneously euphoric at getting this off his chest, and heartbroken that his party has betrayed him.

I understand how devastated he must feel. To put your graft, your time, your commitment into something because you believe it will make things better, only to be thrown over by a bunch of vindictive silly beggars... in my family, we know that experience all too well.

Interestingly, in our case, it was the ones in the local party who did bugger all real work that shafted my family member, who poured the last years of her life into trying to fix paediatric services, while they messed around wearing woke slogans on t-shirts.

I feel these are the times that call on us to stand up and be counted, to have courage. Your husband has done that, and I have profound admiration for him.

This is a war none of us asked for.

Every bit of sunlight cast on this nonsense alerts a few more people. It all helps. Xx

Exactly this. I'm sorry you and your husband have suffered because of this poisonous, destructive ideology. Thank you for being open about it. Wishing you both a good weekend.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse - Ah lovely & all best wishes to you both. I suspect beforehand your husband would not have known how much him speaking out means so much to many.

I hope he will think that whatever his personal disappointment - there are so many people who are grateful to him

Thank you to your very brave, principled husband. You are both very brave. I hope you don’t get to much abuse from his colleagues.

Labour never learn. They lost the 2019 election by only listening to those loudest on social media and not everyday people. Twitter polls showed Labour majorities, and everyone patted each other on the back. Labour were surprised by the Conservative landslide victory - how could that have happened when they’d been tweeting relentlessly into the void?

Now more people offline know about this issue and more people speak out about it online. And what do Labour do? They suspend a loyal member with aims of censorship. They absolutely deserve this to explode in their faces.

Local members need to get out into the community and actually listen to people, not argue with them and tell them they’re wrong.

@foxgoosefinch

I honestly cannot see why they don’t change course, Gaspode. They must either have people polling for them telling them it’s disastrous and they’re ignoring it; or (I suspect) they’re not even asking the right questions. From his cervix bollocks I suspect that Starmer has been captured on this, but it’s utterly, utterly disastrous as a party policy, and any leader with any skill at all would be trying to reverse course as fast as possible. Talk about echo chambers

I don’t think the want to be in power. At least those at the top of it all.

I think they are in it for the identity of being the righteous, right side of history opposition. They get to maintain their identity as the ideological puritans, who told you so about the evil Tories, without ever having to get their hands dirty and carry the responsibility of making real decisions that have real effects on the country. They don’t have to become ‘that Labour government that failed at xy&z’ and be laughed at for all of history.

They care more for their identity as the moral opposition that they do about making any practical difference, and it insulates them from ever having to face the humiliation of making the wrong choice and the legislative evidence that would always remind them of said mistake.

Traditionally, many moral questions including gay rights and the age of consent as well as abortion and capital punishment have been issues of free vote in Parliament. Some Labour MPs (a small minority) even voted against same-sex marriage, and while at least one faced a deselection attempt by constituents, they did not receive any reprimand from the Labour Party or have their Labour membership revoked, because it was a free vote.

Still less would any ordinary Labour member (not an MP) had their membership suspended for expressing their views. Back then, having and expressing opinions was considered perfectly normal in a political party.

Furthermore, what would Clement Attlee, Ernie Bevin or Harold Wilson have made of all this? They would have had to be suspended too. Even if you explained to them all about modern gender ideology, there is no reason to think they would have believed a word of it. And remember, the Labour Party in its heyday had a million individual members and millions more affiliated members, but the notion that you would have gone around suspending people for having views contrary to liberal dogma (or in this case successor-ideology dogma) would have been considered laughable. That is the behaviour of a sect, not a democratic party.

I utterly do not want to be a one issue voter - I just don't but I would like the Labour party to give me the choice - Throw me a bone.

Labour is a lost cause. Kier is such a disappointment.

I hope The Times picks this up. They have been doing sterling work in this topic.

The li k I can see is a picture of a document headed "draft charge."

(Spelling mistake there)

Not "decision" or "ruling."

There are some daft people about but I would hope there are enough sensible ones to throw it out.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

We live close to Rosie Duffield's constituency, and he has always supported her. I think that seeing how she is treated by the party (and there is a lot of vitriol aimed her way in the local branch), reinforced everything I had been saying to him about Labour (I've been a very unsupportive political wife, I'm afraid). He started seeing how blatant the misogyny is, he became very vocal in his support of Rosie. He can't believe that someone reported his post, or that it was taken seriously enough to suspend him. I'm less surprised.

Thank him from me please. What he says matters.

I'm really sorry to read about your husband. He put his heart and soul into working for his party and look how they treated him. He deserves so much better than that. Wishing you both all the best.

mrs house please say thank you to your husband.

It is important to acknowledge that only women go through menopause because women can suffer direct and indirect discrimination because of menopause. If you pretend that pregnancy, periods etc. etc. could happen to anyone you lose the language necessary to talk about sex based discrimination.

The Labour Party used to pretend to care about that kind of thing.

Now it seems they expel the people who do.

I think they are in it for the identity of being the righteous, right side of history opposition. They get to maintain their identity as the ideological puritans, who told you so about the evil Tories, without ever having to get their hands dirty and carry the responsibility of making real decisions that have real effects on the country.

Sad to say, I think that is the truth. What happened to all those passionate socialists who were in it to make a real difference for ordinary people?

Imagine if we’d had the present Labour party after the war. We would have no NHS, no welfare state, no modern education system, none of the mighty action against poverty and ignorance …

@MackenCheese

Only women go through menopause. Medical fact. I don't see what the problem is.

Cos facts might hurt someone’s feeeeeeeelings

I am so worried for the future of us women, I live in Wales and it's primarily Labour here.