Woman's Hour 18/11/2021 Nancy Kelley CEO of Stonewall

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From the programme notes:

"Nancy Kelley is CEO of Stonewall, the largest LGBT rights charity in Europe. She speaks to Emma about her organisation’s work and gives her reaction to recent high-profile withdrawals from Stonewall’s Diversity Champions workplace inclusion scheme, including the BBC."

Hmmm...yes, we've heard - and dissected - the previous pronouncement from that quarter about the BBC pulling out of the Stonewall scheme. Let's see what waffle and spin come out in this interview.

Writing to BBC after this to thank Emma for this forensic articulation of the issues - bravo.

NK getting angry now.

So if you've lived it it's NOT a stereotype, but if you haven't you can't open your mouth? Is that actually what she's saying??!!!

Tinkly laugh is toe curling.

'We haven't been able to distill in this interview what is transphobic?'

Emma, we've never been able to distill that. We've been trying for YEARS

Let's hear her squirm over Kathleen Stock

Gosh - not listening but sounds like EB has really been reading up on this. Gave up on Woman’s Hour but may have to revisit.

Can I send a card or letter directly to EB? She deserves an award IMO.

The CEO of Stonewall doesn't know any of the details of the Kathleen Stock case

Stonewall Universities. Urgghh.

@disconnected101

The CEO of Stonewall doesn't know any of the details of the Kathleen Stock case

AMAZING

Yes! EB showing what the BBC should be!

She really doesn't know much about Kathleen Stock case - aye right

It just gets better and better

As someone else said upthread, this is a masterclass by Emma.

Wriggling on the hook.

Pleading ignorance is a bit of a theme recently, isn't it?

Oh gosh, she is brilliant. Bringing it round to the starting point again with the Stonewall policy in universities, making NK echo her earlier confident jokey assertion that 'Doh - no one takes any notice of little old us! We have no influence at all!' It sounds a whole lot more hollow now.

Surely the point about the woman's refuge is follows

There aren't enough places for women.
If transwomen are offered places in these refuges that ulitmately means there will be fewer places for women.

This is like a car crash interview.Emma B is doing a fantastic job!

Nancy saying that you can only know if someone is a transphobe if you've met and know them.

The TRAs won't be happy.

She’s as slippery as a slippery fish.

The high pitched hm-mms are very telling.

Go Emma!

@CriticalCondition

The high pitched hm-mms are very telling.

And the squeaky parroting of Elgeebeeteequeueplus at regular intervals