Woman's Hour 18/11/2021 Nancy Kelley CEO of Stonewall

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From the programme notes:

"Nancy Kelley is CEO of Stonewall, the largest LGBT rights charity in Europe. She speaks to Emma about her organisation’s work and gives her reaction to recent high-profile withdrawals from Stonewall’s Diversity Champions workplace inclusion scheme, including the BBC."

Hmmm...yes, we've heard - and dissected - the previous pronouncement from that quarter about the BBC pulling out of the Stonewall scheme. Let's see what waffle and spin come out in this interview.

NK keeps claiming "progressive" as an appropriate adjective for SW. Would love EB to ask whether young women who do not conform to sex-based stereotypes should be encouraged to have double mastectomies, and whether that is, in fact, "progressive".

Mothers and other pregnant people??

A requirement to state pronouns in work, I should have said.

NK just started talking about wanting to influence organisations like the BBC more. 🤦‍♀️ EB has followed up and pushed the point.

EB is using pointed examples now like ScotGov removing mother from their maternity policy. She’s doing well.

question about scottish gov removing the word 'mother'

Inclusion is inherently tolerant? No, no it isn't.

With all this talk of lovely laid back, no-big-deal inclusion, I wish EB could talk about Allison Bailey's case and the threatening letter sent by Stonewall to her chambers, threatening sanctions against them if they didn't exclude her from her employment.

Maybe she can't because it's an ongoing case.

three different options?

mothers and other pregnant people?

pregnant people?

What?

The Scottish govt stuff is good, hope the first Minister is listening.

Oh my gosh Emma asked the question.

EB is not letting it go

Oooo

Ugh, the upward inflections

can you see why some women feel that this approach is erasing their rights as women question

answer

we want an inclusive outcome

focussing on language is not the right way to do this...

focussing on one type of language is not the right way...

EB is doing well, but NK has obviously had some intensive media training in damage limitation. That high-pitched mm-hmm? she keeps doing. The very deliberate casual tone, suggesting nothing to see here.

Go Emma!

I feel your pain disconnected101.

Shes challenging her on her anti Semitic comment!

LOVING EB's work this morning!

Giving not an inch. Querying all the terminology 'for the listeners' to draw attention to the utter ludicrousness of it. Has just pinned NK down and got her to admit that NO, YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR BIOLOGICAL SEX

do you believe a person can change their biological sex?

but she didn't answer the question...

Now onto lesbians rejecting trans = antisemitic ...

She went there! Trans lesbians and anti-Semitism quote questions.

EB is great

when you say CIS you mean?

.... 'mostly we don't need to use it'

Emma

asking the question again

Nancy just doesn't answer any question directly!

translesbian
anti semetism