Woman's Hour 18/11/2021 Nancy Kelley CEO of Stonewall

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From the programme notes:

"Nancy Kelley is CEO of Stonewall, the largest LGBT rights charity in Europe. She speaks to Emma about her organisation’s work and gives her reaction to recent high-profile withdrawals from Stonewall’s Diversity Champions workplace inclusion scheme, including the BBC."

Hmmm...yes, we've heard - and dissected - the previous pronouncement from that quarter about the BBC pulling out of the Stonewall scheme. Let's see what waffle and spin come out in this interview.

oof, I'm choking on a massive clump of waffle

I'm hearing a lot of barely-contained panic in these repeated 'Mm-hmm?' s from NK.

NK on the ropes here

Wonder what they've paid on media training. Barnett is great, very few journalists really get the issues. Emma does. She's gotta be on Mumsnet. That Mmm-hum has got proper Dolores Umbridge overtones.

@WinterTrees

NK on the ropes here

Agree.

Oh she is twaw literally.
Beliefs are not facts.

Oh gosh...

Emma, you legend.

TWAW believes it literally ...

NK believes TWAW literally. Not metaphorically, literally.

JKR now!!

EB is on fire!

Go Emma.

I have to keep pinching myself to check I’m not dreaming. This interview is dynamite.

This was a slow start, but an absolute masterclass in interview technique. So much admiration for EB now. What a professional.

Aargh Emma, put NK on the spot with "state the words of JKR you're objecting to".

Shes asker her directly if JK Rowling is a transphobe!!

"What has JKR said that has caused harm? This strikes to the heart of it"

Emma is on fire!

Back to refuges, eq act exemptions.

Q. 'do you beleve that trans women are women?

A. Yes, I believe that literally.

@WinterTrees

This was a slow start, but an absolute masterclass in interview technique. So much admiration for EB now. What a professional.

Absolutely agree!

WHAT precise things caused harm Nancy?

I absolutely love Emma Barnett. To hear someone so across a subject is fantastic. Absolute masterclass in interviewing.

@beigebrownblue

Q. 'do you beleve that trans women are women?

A. Yes, I believe that literally.

Oh my lord! She said that??

Q: Is JK Rowling transphobic?
A: I have no idea.....

Q: c'mon
A: Well I'm not sure if she intends to cause harm