Woman's Hour 18/11/2021 Nancy Kelley CEO of Stonewall

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From the programme notes:

"Nancy Kelley is CEO of Stonewall, the largest LGBT rights charity in Europe. She speaks to Emma about her organisation’s work and gives her reaction to recent high-profile withdrawals from Stonewall’s Diversity Champions workplace inclusion scheme, including the BBC."

Hmmm...yes, we've heard - and dissected - the previous pronouncement from that quarter about the BBC pulling out of the Stonewall scheme. Let's see what waffle and spin come out in this interview.

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I never thought we'd get here but I'm bloody glad we have. Emma Barnett has shown that she's a force to be reckoned with so I hope Nancy Kelley has something better than 'most marginalised' 'be kind' and fake suicide stats.

I'm imagining Dame Jenni listening and cheering her on from her own kitchen table.

I'd also love Emma to have the question 'what's in it for women?' in the back of her mind.

It's never a primary consideration.

At most we get to ask for protection, or safety, or to have to justify why we want to maintain current rights, or constantly reiterate why we need them in the first place (refuges, sport, prisons, etc).

I'd love the question of what's in it for women to expose how so few people ever prioritise women enough to even regard it as a legitimate question.

I'm imagining Dame Jenni listening and cheering her on from her own kitchen table.

You'd think so. Jenni has praised and liked Stephen Nolan tweets but said nothing at all re WH/EB.

the interview is about Nancy's reaction to orgs leaving SW

"Nancy Kelley is CEO of Stonewall, the largest LGBT rights charity in Europe. She speaks to Emma about her organisation’s work and gives her reaction to recent high-profile withdrawals from Stonewall’s Diversity Champions workplace inclusion scheme, including the BBC."

Stonewall statement on BBC leaving the Diversity Champions programme
www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-bbc-leaving-diversity-champions-programme

which mentions:

• recycled homophobia from the 80s and 90s
• we won't be silenced
• organised attacks on workplace inclusion
• rolling back support for LGBTQ+ employees
• as with all membership programmes, organisations come and go
• Our work continues until the world we imagine is the world we live in
• free to be ourselves
• free to be proud
• free to be loved
• free to be together
• free to be who we are

How did the Middle Temple event go? I have seen no report of the content.

I'm anticipating a 'gishgallop', just like Chakrobati did in the House of Lords on Monday...
I really hope that Emma doesn't let her do that. But I've never heard Ms Kelley in action.

It's a combination of patronising and ineffective oldwomanwhoruns:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57281448

That is, ineffective now that people are becoming more resistant to emotional blackmail.

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How did the Middle Temple event go? I have seen no report of the content.

Middle Temple event thread here including live tweets and the text of Naomi's speech. Nancy and Jayne declined sending their speeches to Naomi. AFAIK there's no video www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4403636-Some-grown-ups-are-debating

Thank you FindTheTruth

I hope NK is challenged on her 'attack on LGBT' narrative today. The so-called 'attack'' is criticism of SW ideology by LGB people and women and men and trans.

I hope NK is challenged on her 'rolling back support for LGBT' narrative. SW have systemically rolled back societal LGB rights in terms of same-sex attraction. We are shamed for it by SW who even likened it to racism. See threads on Lesbian erasure and lesbian spaces and more.

SW don't represent all LGBT people

I hope EB is able to draw a clear distinction that criticism of Stonewall doesn't equate to criticism of trans people.

I also hope she asks her why Stonewall can't support and defend lesbians who are being attacked and harassed for their own views on their own sexuality.

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I'm hoping Emma Barnett decides to ask about the anti-Semitism comment.

I get the impression Emma Barnett doesn't have her #bekind head on for this one.

EB's introduction to the interview very thorough, but blimey - there's a lot of material to cover. It's quite an overwhelming subject to tackle. The rot has been creeping in unchallenged for a very long time.

Nancy Kelley sounds nervous.

Sounding the klaxon for the first whopping untruth!

Membership of SW diversity champions scheme has no impact at all on BBC impartiality

This is all waffle so far

Not sure what the point of this is...

I like that EB specifically referred to manifesting a belief and linked it to declaring pronouns.

EB going for the very technocratic arguments about impartiality and influence on editorial. Hope she gets on to the real substance soon...

Ohhhh, EB has picked up on the "we'd love to have more influence [over the BBC]" point.

Tinkly laugh: I don't think we've had any influence over BBC editorial policy. We'd love to have more influence.

Shitting hell.