Trans professor is placed on leave after interview defending pedophiles

[PandorasMailbox]

Oh dear, how very sad.

Don't let them back in!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10210713/Trans-professor-placed-leave-controversially-defending-pedophiles.html#comments

How the fuck does this person think that “child pornography” is produced?!”

Exactly. Definitely a wtf moment that the university had to be shamed into suspend this person.

And this person wasn’t AFAB. 🙄 The sex was observed.

As an aside, it’s a shame you posted on a part of the site, where we know what’s going on. This would have been a prime thread to put on a wider read board. I think even the TWAW brigade would struggle with this one.

@IntermittentParps

Thank you, BloodinGutters.

So, genuine question (I have not heard the phrase 'map &nomap' before; forgive me, I'm going to educate myself):
the ‘map &nomap’ groups have been attaching themselves to trans issues; does that happen the other way round too? ie does the trans community ally themselves with 'map &nomap' groups? Or are they an unwanted 'parasite' to trans groups?

You’re aware this professor whose pro map community is trans right?

So there’s one trans person who welcomes the map community.

Peter Tachell would be another pro trans pro map person. Wrote letters in favour of PIE back in the day iirc.

There have been numerous threads on Twitter of posters, who we would term tra’s, who tell ‘terfs’ to die in a grease fire and so on that are also pro map or id as map on Twitter- including stating preferred ages, right down to 0+ for their ‘minor preference’.

There’s a significant branch of cross over between map and tra’s (not whole trans community, not even all tra’s) that is available for any to see. Like Rachel McKinnon/Veronica Ivy living with a convicted peadophile room mate while advertising to any trans kids can come and find their ‘glitter family’ with them if their real ones won’t accept their trans identity.

Just look on Twitter, it’s plain for all to see. Or sign up to Glinner. He’s got a lot of the evidence compiled.

But they/he's a professor of sociology and criminal justice. Dear god. The state of America these days

@IntermittentParps

Demonizing and stigmatising child sex abuse is our natural instinct but it doesn't help us identify who does these things, how to treat or deal with them criminally, it just drives this further underground and into the darker recesses of the internet where it is flourishing extensively. I can't disagree with this, uncomfortable as it is. Just calling it 'evil', too, makes it something 'other' and that cannot and should not be understood, which I'm not sure is the best approach.

This is the feminist board.

The feminist view is to leave men to fix male violence (and child abuse is that) and not to appeal to female socialisation to fix their abusers to prevent harm (because it doesn’t work. The feminist perspective would be to focus on keeping women safe by having firm boundaries, meaningful and accurate language, hearing and amplifying women’s voices, and having robust safeguards.

So all the things gender ideology is fighting to remove.

If you want to address understanding the abusers you should be posting on a different board, that isn’t feminisms remit.

I haven't read the thesis, but my brief glance at the DM article tells me that they personally didn't advocate using child porn as harm reduction, but were talking about how others had done so in a review of the literature. If it were in their own list of recommendations that's different, but reviewing literature shouldn't be taboo.

Maybe if you read part of it you would feel differently. The person was in fact advocating, actually going as far as to state that ‘some studies have shown that watching child pornography actually increases csa crimes’ and then waving that aside by insisting that those studies were unviable. It was more an agreement than a literature review I’m afraid. This person also runs sessions for how to understand minor attracted persons.

Although I will say I think there’s a place for a discussion on how we can lean to prevention rather than pushing into obscurity - I saw an interesting documentary about non offending paedophiles and there is definitely an argument that if people could come forward and get help then they would be less likely to offend. I think one man was even having chemical castration.

However, this individual doesn’t seem interested in how to help stop paedophiles, but more in how to help them access child abuse images. Engrossing, high quality ones.

@awesomekilick

But they/he's a professor of sociology and criminal justice. Dear god. The state of America these days

"Assistant Professor" in US universities would be the equivalent of Senior Lecturer/Reader in the UK.

I work in a STEM department and any research involving animals, cadavers or live human subjects is subject to rigorous ethics paperwork. I don't understand why there doesn't seem to be an equivalent for clearly contentious topics in the Humanities.

Everytime I see stuff like this I keep asking why on earth isnt the thread posted in AIBU or something where more people can see it. This reminds me of that 1970s thing was it the "Paedophile Exchange"?

My natural urge is to punch some people in the face. Amazingly enough I don't do that because I know it's WRONG.

By non-offending paedophiles I mean people who had come forward for medical/professional help as they had this sexual interest in children, and recognised it as a wrong and deviant behaviour. By coming forward some of them were able to get help and of course just the openness will help children - everyone knew this man was like this so I suppose were likely to be more vigilant.

And don’t forget about Aimee Challenor’s American husband who wrote fantasy porn about raping kids. Another TRA-MAP connection.

@StaplesCorner

Everytime I see stuff like this I keep asking why on earth isnt the thread posted in AIBU or something where more people can see it. This reminds me of that 1970s thing was it the "Paedophile Exchange"?

If it was then, like many other posts, someone would report it and it woud be moved over here anyway!

We just aren't allowed to discuss it 'out in the open'. Neither the Monitors nor MNHQ will allow it!

@umbel

And don’t forget about Aimee Challenor’s American husband who wrote fantasy porn about raping kids. Another TRA-MAP connection.

This is the area I've worked in for years.
I'm not interested in pitchforks and public lynchings.

However serious and ongoing harm is caused to children through their abuse and the recording of their abuse on screens.

It is not stigmatizing to highlight the significant harm this abuse creates, it is merely factual.

Boundaries are protective by their nature . Being crystal clear about the unacceptability of child sex abuse is all it's forms is one way of trying to minimize escalation of abuse patterns.
It won't remove the issue by itself because those driven to abuse will work hard to overcome internal and external barriers to their abusive behavior.

I have chosen to work in this field I'm okay with sitting through days of training about how to build rapport with sex offenders when interviewing them.
But I don't expect members of the general public to have any interest in doing anything other than state their disgust.

Never heard of that, must look it up. Frightening how much of this stuff gets out in the open, like people aren’t even scared to get caught.

Fuck. Given that there is no such thing as 'child pornography', as children cannot consent, the professor clearly knows jack shit about the issue. That's shocking and foul. Who does she think is harmed by images of child sexual abuse? The children who have been coerced and forced into making the images. They are victims.

Who comes creeping out whenever safeguarding is allowed to slip? Paedophiles, that's who. Tale as old as time. And apparently anyone who questions it is a transphobic bigot. So it goes.

@Kanaloa

By non-offending paedophiles I mean people who had come forward for medical/professional help as they had this sexual interest in children, and recognised it as a wrong and deviant behaviour. By coming forward some of them were able to get help and of course just the openness will help children - everyone knew this man was like this so I suppose were likely to be more vigilant.

Ask any forensic psychologist, these people don’t exist.

Peadophiles start using images of abuse to fuel their fantasies the same ages other boys start using porn for theirs.

There are no ten yr olds trotting along to their gp to express urges they are having about their little sister, but who haven’t yet started jacking off to thoughts of molesting her and using images of child abuse to amplify that effect.

Planning for hypothetical non offending minor attracted people is the same as using candy floss to safeguard boundaries.

@umbel

And don’t forget about Aimee Challenor’s American husband who wrote fantasy porn about raping kids. Another TRA-MAP connection.

& AC mods half of Reddit, where there are loads of kids posting….

Any academic, any person advocating for the destigmatisation of paedophilia in any way, should take the responsibility for the abuse of children their actions allowed.

Just like the French ‘intellectuals’ who supported Foucault and others in lowering the age of consent in France. Some of these advocates now have their own children to answer to!

Foucault and Queer Theory has a great deal of harm to take ownership of.

@BloodinGutters

This is the person so many are defending the views of on the other thread.

Because the poor peados didn’t ask to be ‘sexually attracted’ to children and it must be so hard to have these urges and not use images of abuse or touch kids, but be unable to go to gp to get help for their ‘affliction’ because stigma. So we need ‘disease’ rebranding to help them cope with their urges.

I think that people are defending the idea that the world would be better if a paedophile who has yet to commit a criminal offence were to come forward to seek rehabilitation, as opposed to go on and commit sexual offences against children.

@verymiddleaged you are one strong woman!

I worked peripherally with a couple of sex offenders for a decade or so, had some similar sounding training and nowadays have reminder/updates as I come into contact occasionally, more at arms length. I found it all a bit too discombobulating and so eventually had to stop the direct contact work.

Kudos to you - and cake

@BloodinGutters

My point was that if this academic had come forward with an idea of how to destigmatise so that people could seek help not to offend I could have understood, but as it is their entire thesis reads as advocating for open and legal child sexual abuse. I was suggesting that available help would help everyone. As it is most need to offend before there’s any help.

That’s not paedophilia support by the way - I’m just saying I do think there’s space for an academic discussion on prevention but unfortunately what this person is doing is the opposite.

I think that people are defending the idea that the world would be better if a paedophile who has yet to commit a criminal offence were to come forward to seek rehabilitation, as opposed to go on and commit sexual offences against children.

They can. The latest is an international project called PedoHelp! There are many more, StopItNow, for example, has been around for 25 years or so.

Many sex abuse victims set up local charities. Yes, victims set up support networks for pedophiles!