The BBC announces it is leaving Stonewall

[AlwaysTawnyOwl]

www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/statements/stonewall-diversity-champions-programme?at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom4=8686C1E8-4222-11EC-AA97-45113A982C1E&at_custom3=%40bbcpress&at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64

No change to the Style Guide yet. It still defines homosexuality as homogenderism.
The Young Minds website says that it's very serious and illegal to tell a transwoman that they're not a woman. Which isn't true. They also define homosexuality as homogenderism.
Much be difficult to advise on things like sexually transmitted diseases and condoms when you refuse to acknowledge the existence of same sex attraction.

[quote Theeyeballsinthesky]Yep Angela rayner et al demonstrating with monotonous regularity why Labour won’t be governing anytime soon

twitter.com/angelarayner/status/1458468230733914118?s=21[/quote]
14/11/2021
The Andrew Marr Show
Andrew Marr is joined by Angela Rayner MP

wonder if he'll ask her about this?

Time to put the pressure on and hold the BBC accountable for all the stuff they put out when in the clutches of Stonewall

Good luck with that; since they've never been held properly accountable over their decisions around Savile I doubt any such pressure would make a difference

The BBC operate under an unusual "charter", but in effect they're in hock to the government who control the licence fee ... and governments appreciate having a mouthpiece which is conveniently taxpayer-funded

Yep Angela rayner et al demonstrating with monotonous regularity why Labour won’t be governing anytime soon
Trans people facing a campaign of hate and discrimination
It's just a (really, really, stupid) tag line, isn't it?

Who is waging this campaign? How are trans people discriminated against?
If anything; they're the most pampered, elevated, lauded group in modern society; whose every whim is immediately granted.
And you still get bloody MP's spouting this utter shite 🤦‍♀️

Involve UK was discussed on the Nolan Show, sounds the same as Stonewall www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0b3k99s

I just checked out the INvolveUK site and I couldn't find any names of those involved apart from the founder, Suki Sandhu, who is a Stonewall ambassador according to this feature in We Are the City:

wearethecity.com/heforshe-suki-sandhu-ceo-founder-involve-audeliss/

Looks to me like a funkier less visible version of Stonewall. Wonder how many people in Stonewall/ formerly of Stonewall are Involved? It get the impression it's all very corporate and London-centric and it also seems to be flying well under the radar. I'm reminded of the Dentons advice about obtaining influence by quietly using business and political networks and cutting out the general public.

Sunday times today

Fran Unsworth tells BBC staff: Get used to hearing views you don’t like

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1c5ca6b4-449a-11ec-b414-b1f6389ab345?shareToken=5f0bf7ea5f13794ea3acb8051ac5fec1

I liked this piece but it does highlight how much employees think they can dictate their political views in an organisation that is supposed to be impartial.

I wonder if all those threatening to leave, will actually leave and let the doors open for poor kids who will bring in a whole new view .

[quote McDuffy]Sunday times today

Fran Unsworth tells BBC staff: Get used to hearing views you don’t like

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1c5ca6b4-449a-11ec-b414-b1f6389ab345?shareToken=5f0bf7ea5f13794ea3acb8051ac5fec1[/quote]
Wow! This is fantastic. And how refreshing to hear for once that (since Wednesday's article was published) it feels that more conversations can be had.
I can almost hear the sigh of relief from the other side of the country!

from the Times article

A BBC journalist said: “Fran was totally calm but determined about it. She was reacting to questions from the network that implied people shouldn’t come across views they disliked. To me, it felt like she was having to explain journalism to idiots.”

Davie told LGBT staff he would listen to their views, that he was concerned by the idea that LGBT staff were leaving the corporation over its policies

if people who don't understand journalism and don't care about impartiality are leaving the BBC, that seems like a good thing no? regardless of what gender they identify as

Thank you for token.

Thanks for the share token, McDuffy. I was surprised that some BBC staff did not take well to hearing that they would be exposed to views they did not like. What were they taught on their journalism courses? Or on their induction programmes at the BBC?

Tim Davie knows the continuation of the licence fee is dependent on the BBC being seen as impartial. There are a lot of people in the current government, and some outside it, who would love to end the licence system. Even if they work in entertainment, rather than news, they should know this.

A reminder of what Stonewall is there to do

mobile.twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1459565385582366722

That's a great article. I can't believe Tim Davie was told that he couldn't make these decisions because he's not trans!

The entire playbook is being brought to bear. And if course, it doesn't work, it has the opposite effect.

Some said they felt unable to express such views at the BBC. “If you mention it, it’s like Invasion of the Body Snatchers: everyone goes quiet and their faces go blank. Since Wednesday, conversations are already a lot freer,” one added.

Good. That'll do it.

[quote MiladyBerserko]A reminder of what Stonewall is there to do

mobile.twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1459565385582366722[/quote]
I really don't have words to express my disgust at Ruth Hunt.

That article does feel like a bit of a sigh of relief, that the grown ups are back in the room

OJ on Fran Unsworth:
A BBC source says: "People on the call were literally writing messages live that they were in tears and she didn't say anything."

I don’t know whether to be amused or angry. Actually I know! I AM IN TEARS at the audacity of these people assuming that it’s the job of a senior woman to do something about it when a staff member announces they are crying. I demand a man comes into this thread and makes me feel better. 😭😭😭

OJ on Fran Unsworth:
A BBC source says: "People on the call were literally writing messages live that they were in tears and she didn't say anything."

I will never, ever get over the sheer volume of own goals.

Isn't that them weaponising their trauma though?

@FlyingOink

Isn't that them weaponising their trauma though?

Totally.

What sort of emotionally impaired, entitled wazzock sends messages to their bosses that they're crying?

[quote JessHopeThinks]Involve UK was discussed on the Nolan Show, sounds the same as Stonewall www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0b3k99s[/quote]
Thanks @JessHopeThinks. Another very interesting piece by Stephen Nolan. (Well worth a listen - 28 minutes).

Do you know if he was able to get an interview with a senior BBC executive on the next programme, as he said he was trying to do?

@BoreOfWhabylon, I don't think so.
More on Suki-the man behind Involve UK. He is a Stonewall ambassador
wearethecity.com/heforshe-suki-sandhu-ceo-founder-involve-audeliss/

@GreyhoundG1rl

What sort of emotionally impaired, entitled wazzock sends messages to their bosses that they're crying?

I'm guessing those who have been told that emotional blackmail works?

@allmywhat

OJ on Fran Unsworth: A BBC source says: "People on the call were literally writing messages live that they were in tears and she didn't say anything."

I don’t know whether to be amused or angry. Actually I know! I AM IN TEARS at the audacity of these people assuming that it’s the job of a senior woman to do something about it when a staff member announces they are crying. I demand a man comes into this thread and makes me feel better. 😭😭😭

Possibly this relates to the "bringing your whole self to work" discussion.

Journalists today don't seem to have the same kind of resilience as they did in my grandfather's generation, that's for sure.