Grayson Perry interview

[Shewholovedthethebanhills]

I thought his answer to the question on gender stereotypes was refreshing: “As a transvestite, I’m heavily invested in gender stereotypes, because otherwise I wouldn’t have a barrier to cross. It would just be dressing.”

small elbow bump before resumption of hostilities < (only joking)

Great discussion! I'm on the side of unease at anyone forcing their particular sexual fetish on unconsenting adults. And I'm incredibly disappointed to read of his open acknowledgement of feeling humiliated and sexually aroused at dressing as a little girl. It's a line that shouldn't be crossed.

What was wrong with my post? I was documenting a personal experience ffs!
Datun is absolutely right though - it’s a lose, lose scenario.

@GenderApostatemk2

What was wrong with my post? I was documenting a personal experience ffs! Datun is absolutely right though - it’s a lose, lose scenario.

Not just a personal experience, but one Perry is quite upfront about generating. He deliberately dresses as 'a grotesque' with the pantomime child make up etc, precisely because he wants to shock.

You feeling shocked and repelled is the desired outcome. The clue is in the words humiliation fetish!

Which is why he claims that as people get to know him more, their reaction to him becomes more moderate, and it takes all the arousal out of it.

It's beyond ridiculous that people are reporting your post for the basic affirmation of Grayson Perry's entire USP because they think it makes him look bad!!

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More to the point, what's the problem with Eddie Izzard? I may have missed something...

@NoPrivateSpy

More to the point, what's the problem with Eddie Izzard? I may have missed something...

Sometimes he's in boy mode, sometimes girl mode, depending on how he feels in his head and what role he is thinking of taking.

But mostly, he's just a woman now.

Apparently, it's not misgendering because he can still be both.

Eddie Izzard went from the laudable position of "They're not women's clothes. They're my clothes. I bought them" to requesting she/her pronouns and wanting "“to be based in girl mode from now on" and complaining about the presence of teenage girls in a female bathroom where Eddie had chosen to insert Eddieself.

And sometimes he harangues young women in ladies loos for being mean to him.

He used to be sensible about it "this isn't a woman's dress, it's my dress, I bought it!"

Now he is just another man demanding women, young women, move over and let him out woman them!

Until he wants to earn lots of money - then he reverts back to Man mode, as in the new Dan Brown series. Funny that 🙄

Being a woman has been less than delightful and it is not about lipstick, tights, etc. My experience is being abused, looked at askance for looking 'wrong', being sexually assaulted, and bleeding, heavily. But I cannot bring myself to mind about Perry or Izzard. They do have psychological issues, they seem to be aware of that.

About 5 or 6 years ago I would have agreed with you.

But during the intervening years I have read more, thought about the general inequity between the sexes and come to think that men who wish to use women, to push them around, decry and ignore their protests, can just fuck off.

I really was radicalised by FWR, conversations with trans friends, transwomen in sport and TRA behaviour.

Personally, I will always highlight it when men are so self entitled they feel that they can normalise their sexual activity around children and unsuspecting women.

It's becoming so normalised, that a poster on this thread actually said they would be 'thrilled' if Perry did it at their child's school.

I mean, would that work with a nappy fetish? If someone said, quite openly, that they had a nappy fetish, and they wear one under their clothes to go into schools and, 'that explains my bulky trousers?'

I've been reading this stuff for a few years too. There is completely a

I do completely agree that women are and have been pushed around and ignored in ways men do not even have an inkling of.

Big space for no reason (like my head)

Very clearly it is not OK to do creepy sex stuff around women and children.

But now I feel really bad for saying they have psychological issues. Maybe they do not. It is not for me to say. I do think though, issues and making art about them is a good thing. What is the alternative?

There are loads of good potters and ceramic artists around. In fact there’s a glut of all sorts of art, from dire through mediocre to outstanding. However it’s rarely the skill or artistry of the artist that makes them famous, rather their “performance”, which, if it taps it the mood of the moment, ensures success.
GP is riding the current wave of porn and self image obsessed introspection in a flamboyantly exhibitionistic manner.

@Datun

Personally, I will always highlight it when men are so self entitled they feel that they can normalise their sexual activity around children and unsuspecting women.

It's becoming so normalised, that a poster on this thread actually said they would be 'thrilled' if Perry did it at their child's school.

I mean, would that work with a nappy fetish? If someone said, quite openly, that they had a nappy fetish, and they wear one under their clothes to go into schools and, 'that explains my bulky trousers?'

No, that’s not what I said. Please show me any evidence that GP is going around schools and engaging into any kind of kinky fetish around children?

As a radical feminist, I would welcome someone like GP going around schools and saying to children “I’m a man. Sometimes I like to wear dresses and that’s fine - it doesn’t make me a woman”.

The difference between GP and other people is that he is more upfront than most about his sexual fantasies. And also that, unlike most men, he doesn’t get his kicks out of dominating or humiliating women.

No, that’s not what I said. Please show me any evidence that GP is going around schools and engaging into any kind of kinky fetish around children?

Well he's said he dresses as a woman as a fetish. And he does it around children, so....?

What he has said is he satisfies his fetish wearing a dress. That a certain kind of skirt is good for hiding a stuffy.

He wears those kinds of dresses to functions with royalty, children, anyone and everyone.

What is it about how he explains his fetish that you don't believe?

The evidence starts on Page 2. Our posts would be deleted if there was not ample evidence.

As always I wonder what all of this has really been like for his wife

As a radical feminist, I would welcome someone like GP going around schools and saying to children “I’m a man. Sometimes I like to wear dresses and that’s fine - it doesn’t make me a woman”.

The difference between GP and other people is that he is more upfront than most about his sexual fantasies. And also that, unlike most men, he doesn’t get his kicks out of dominating or humiliating women.

So you want him to go into schools and talk about his fetishes? What other fetishists should schools host?

That's really not a radical feminist position.