Intergender MMA fight

[Genderbread]

I have just seen this link anout an “intergender” mma fight - labelled barbaric and brutal in the comments.
Is there any difference between this fight and a fight between a woman and a self identified woman?

www.sportbible.com/mma/controversial-intergender-mma-bout-in-poland-ends-in-brutal-tko-20211030

@ArabellaScott

Have you ever been punched by a man, Catherina? (I sincerely hope not.)

It's quite stunning, often literally. The strength of a male, past puberty, is phenomenal. Even small, weedy men.

I am staggered that anyone thinks that 'men are stronger' is a problematic statement, anymore than 'men are larger' is problematic. Simple statement of fact.

Given the facts, it seems dangerous to me to teach or suggest that there is no difference in the strength of males relative to females. This could easily lead to situations where females are put at risk of serious injury.

we are talking about MMA fights, not assault.

Fallon.

@CatherinaJTV how did you know the females were cis?

we are talking about MMA fights, not assault.

Do you think the presence of a referee or martial arts instructor makes men's arms weaker? I have never experienced this phenomenon.

we are talking about MMA fights, not assault

Whats with the we?

Lots of people are talking in general terms about male strength

The MMA article, which you don’t appear to have read (might be you didnt understand it), pretty much started a wider discussion

In our family, our daughter is by far the strongest, stronger than dad or her (taller) brother

So what.

Do you disagree with the evidence that has been collected and reviewed about the differences in strength, leverage, hand size etc?

Do you honestly not see that even a smaller male will have a punch that is more powerful than a larger female? That a male the same height and weight has longer arms, more density due to denser bones, etc.

And that females, regardless of size, have a higher risk of brain damage due to more delicate skulls and brain fibres.

we are talking about MMA fights, not assault.

What is difference?

we are talking about MMA fights, not assault

I thought you were talking about lifting furniture, but okay.

A man/male has the same muscle make up whether he's in a sports ring or in a dark ally when he punches someone

As we are talking about punches, let's recap a very relevant part of the article

The other bout featured Michał Przybyłowicz, also known as 'Polski Ken' due to his plastic barbie doll appearance, going up against Wiktoria Domżalska.

Przybyłowicz won in the first round when Domżalska was not able to defend herself from punches and forced the referee to step in and bring proceedings to halt.

Now, I have not watched any clips, but as I touched on earlier, the disparity between male and female punching power means that a woman can be a good martial artist and have the reflexes and skill to block a blow, but his brute force strength will just go through her block.

This type of issue is why we separate male fighters by weight, because there is no interest in seeing brute strength overpower skill.

I am actually not quite getting the point of some of these posts.

In this Polish competition it was two matches of male vs female. It was clearly stated that they were male. And they beat the females quickly. One very quickly.

Now we are discussing that some female MMA fighters may be able to beat some male MMA fighters. Maybe.... if they have technique and they are fast enough to win quickly before the female tires.

I am actually not quite getting the point of some of these posts

They are like a broken pencil

Pointless

Those of you who've encountered people who seriously believe women are as strong or fast as men, have you asked them how they account for sporting world records and league tables that seem to show pretty conclusively that men are significantly stronger and faster?

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Pointless

yes, I am quite sure that there are quite a few factors that come into play why someone's daughter can lift furniture better than their father or brother.

It has no bearing at all on whether the daughter could beat a male competitor at MMA or not.

I wouldn't have thought it would have a bearing, no. MMA is a sport that incorporates techniques from multiple other martial arts disciplines. However, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't incorporate throwing of furniture or other household objects.

Of course, the absolute best bit of self defense advice that every instructor I know gives on the first lesson is to walk away from a fight.

My kickboxing instructor was very clear that all the training in the world could only give the female kickboxers the chance to run away, if their training was a surprise to the attacker and they were lucky. He was a great trainer. He also had a couple of sessions with only the female kickboxers when he concentrated on really dirty fighting.

My DH is a black belt and it's terrifying how hard he can punch and kick. Women aren't stronger than men in my house!

Neither of the competitors, in either bout in the Polish “competition,” were professional MMA fighters. What they were clearly supposed to represent was two non-masculine / “weak” men (one a makeup promoter, one a Polish “Ken doll”) against two muscular women. It was supposed to represent a reversal of stereotypes.

I imagine the women thought they could easily beat the two (perceived as) wimpy men and came up against reality really really quickly. Neither set of fighters had any training - or if they did, they didn’t seem to remember any of it.

The similarities to Fallon Fox, and the other more recent trans fighter, are only in that all of these fights demonstrate that actual women, when faced with an opponent who has gone through male puberty (however they later identify) is much more likely to be beaten than not.

And by beaten, I mean bludgeoned.

@RachelHasThoseInBurgundy

Also, cis female MMA fighters were asked

Cis female?

Indeed. I still don't understand what a ciswoman is but now we also have cis females?

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal

I work with a lot of young women who are fully bought into the "women are as strong as men" myth. I casually dropped into conversation once that the grip strength of a 30 year old woman is equivalent to that of a 70 year old man.

They were genuinely saddened to hear that and said it was "depressing."

Some of them have misinterpreted "equal" as "same."

i think many people simply don't realise how much stronger the average man is compared to the average woman - it's one of the reasons that women who are raped or sexually assaulted still get asked 'why didn't you fight him off?' (the answer in 99% of cases is that they literally can't)

Realistically most women know that fighting back will result in you being hurt a great deal more.

I am 30 - up until 18 or so, I think I believed that women were as strong as men! Many of my friends baulked at the suggestion that men were physically stronger. Women had no trouble beating men up on TV, and to even suggest that men and women were somehow different was very offensive. I vividly remember shouting my mother down when she dared suggest that men and women were physically different because they had different reproductive roles (duh). My friends and I were all inner-city kids, none of us were at all sporty and we all had pretty limited experience with the opposite sex. We were naive as anything, but also teenagers, so obviously we knew everything.

If you participate in any sport, it's immediately obvious that male people have a significant advantage. Also any kind of direct physical contact makes the strength disparity pretty clear. I can only assume that people in denial about this have both never participated in sport and never physically interacted with the opposite sex.

I always find this helpful when people say that there's no difference between women and men in terms of strength, speed etc -boysvswomen.com#/

Athletic teenage boys can easily beat Olympian women's world records.

boysvswomen.com#/

Hopefully the link will work this time!

Most men are stronger than most women

That’s really it