Publisher of Diva magazine suggests lesbians are lying about being pressured into sex with trans women

[SapphosRock]

The publisher Linda Riley quotes:

“In all my years publishing DIVA Magazine, the leading and longest running magazine for LGBTQI women, I have never heard from a lesbian who says she has been pressurised into having sex with a trans woman. BBC News is reinforcing myths that are simply not true”.

Lesbians respond to her comment en masse, telling her that they have been pressured into sex with trans women (which let’s face it, is rape) and she ignores them, deletes their comments and has them blocked from her online Diva group.

Does she truly believe lesbians are making it all up?

Is she so entwined with Stonewall and trans activism she daren’t backpeddle?

Is she scared she will be the next target or death threats and harassment like JKR or Kathleen Stock?

It’s really cowardly behaviour and is alienating her core readership.

https://divamag.co.uk/2021/10/27/trans-media-watch-calls-for-investigation-into-transphobic-bbc-article/

money

i think all these people have been bought and paid for (looking at you Nicola Sturgeon). it's the only explanation

Calls for investigation?

What happens when they don’t like what they find?

I'm sure this comment will be deleted soon but glad women are calling her out.

Interesting that she's done this despite it being pointed out to her on Twitter than she had hidden all the replies that disagreed and described personal experiences that she didn't want to acknowledge.

Sunk costs fallacy? So deeply invested in the ideology that they feel they cannot afford - emotionally as well as financially - to step away from it.

Also interesting that Diva has become a magazine for 'LGBTQI' woman - but any mention of lesbian Kathleen Stock is banned.

It's basically a magazine for TQ people and Linda Riley should just own it rather than pretending it's anything to do with lesbians anymore.

Ah dear Linda, she & diva been whanging lesbians under the bus so long, she probably can’t remember a time when lesbian meant sake sex attracted

Thread about Diva and it’s support for TRA here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4021532-diva-magazine-exclusively-for-tras-now

I have a whole thread in the silencing of women.

Young lesbians are gaslighted into accepting penis people as part of their dating pool. They are thrown off dating apps if they try to exclude penises. Photo is from tinder.

And when they are raped they are further alienated from their community. And accused of lying. Or they are told “Shhh, we know but don’t talk about it think of the poor transwomen”

I think like a lot of people, she’s so over invested in this she can’t back down. She doesn’t want people sniffing around, asking difficult questions, following the money, checking the legalities.

@OperationDessertStorm

I think like a lot of people, she’s so over invested in this she can’t back down. She doesn’t want people sniffing around, asking difficult questions, following the money, checking the legalities.

It must be this. And the sunk cost fallacy that JellySaurus mentions.

Bullies tend to agree with bullies. If they were capable of self reflection they would not be bullying!

Riley is a joke with her three wise monkeys act.

Unfortunately the abuse she supports is not funny.

Believe women.
Until they say something that doesn't fit with your narrative...

What I don't understand is her insistence on picking a side.

She could have simply said 'I support and believe lesbian victims of sexual violence which does not affect my support for trans women and believing they are women.'

Instead she has chosen to clearly prioritise the needs and feelings of trans women over lesbians.

It's not complicated. It's not fear. She's a bad person who enjoys her status, the financial reward, and is quite content to bully to maintain these things.

The fact stonewall employed the person who ran seminars titled overcoming the cotton ceiling shows it’s real. Stonewalls comment about lesbians should examine if societal prejudice is behind them not wanting to have sex with transwomen proves it happens.

There is no need of any more proof than this.

Yet there’s survivors accounts, tw who acknowledge this is real, all the evidence people can access here on it.

Did you see what happened to David Bridle of Boyz magazine when he suggested his readers see what the LGBA had to say, Sappho? It wasn’t even an endorsement, just a ‘might as well hear for yourselves’. He was slaughtered.

Whatever Riley really believes, the slightest hint of non- capitulation and they’d rip her apart.

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

Did you see what happened to David Bridle of Boyz magazine when he suggested his readers see what the LGBA had to say, Sappho? It wasn’t even an endorsement, just a ‘might as well hear for yourselves’. He was slaughtered.

Whatever Riley really believes, the slightest hint of non- capitulation and they’d rip her apart.

While that's undoubtedly true, this is the woman involved in the Jack the Ripper museum. It's not that she knows and is afraid to speak up for fear of the consequences. She doesn't want to. She doesn't care. If she was a man, we'd have no problem acknowledging a wrong 'un.

I'd say she both doesn't care about the women being silenced, but also this is part of an active propaganda campaign.

While that's undoubtedly true, this is the woman involved in the Jack the Ripper museum. It's not that she knows and is afraid to speak up for fear of the consequences. She doesn't want to. She doesn't care. If she was a man, we'd have no problem acknowledging a wrong 'un.

I’d forgotten about the Jack the Ripper museum.

I was thinking that she saw what happened with Boyz magazine and wants to avoid the same happening to Diva.

I think Riley is a useful pet for the TAs so they don't call out her (alleged) dodgy dealings or her dodgy ethical ground with the Jack Ripper thing. So she says what they want her to.

A true Vichy lesbian. Bought and paid for.

This came up on twitter with her years ago. She was tweeted with screen shots and accounts back then and denied it.

And clearly she continues to deny it.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. She and others have no shame in throwing lesbians who have been raped or assaulted under the bus.

I don't understand the insistence that all trans people are sinless and angelic. Part of treating any minority group as equals should involve an acknowledgement that they are like the rest of us - some will be good, some will be irritating, some will be predatory etc.

As SapphosRock said it's not difficult to say that you are sad that some lesbians have had such experiences, you hope any behaviour like that would be called out, but it doesn't affect your view that transwomen are women. And yet they all fly off the handle and screech that the women must be lying or exaggerating.

Women tend to talk about difficult topics with people who are empathetic and supportive, Ms Riley. You might want think about that.

But they have told her. It's just a straight up lie. Nothing more.