BBC responds to backlash to article about lesbians being pressured into sex by some trans women

[FindTheTruth]

BBC spokesperson said: “The article looks at a complex subject from different perspectives and acknowledges it is difficult to assess the extent of the issue.

“It includes testimony from a range of different sources and provides appropriate context. It went through our rigorous editorial processes.

“It is important that journalism looks at issues - even where there are strongly held positions. The BBC is here to ensure debate and to make sure a wide a range of voices are heard.”

attitude.co.uk/article/bbc-responds-to-backlash-to-article-about-lesbians-being-pressured-into-sex-by-some-trans-women-1/26090/

That is some disgusting stuff there from Lily Cade. I think the police may actually get involved in that? Maybe the BBC report should have researched a bit further before featuring her in the article.

The fundamental question still remains though:

Is it transphoic for a lesbian to reject all transwomen as potential sexual partners?

Yes or no?

That question still hangs above all of this. Above all the shit that has been flung around from everyone since that article was published. Above all the letters, the accusations, the deleted tweets, everything.

That is some disgusting stuff there from Lily Cade.

Neatly cropped down to make it look literal. The surrounding sentences make clear she's talking about their female "personas", and the post as a whole is based on "Lily Cade" already being dead. None of those names are any more real people than "Lily Cade".

Still, way to give them ammunition.

Maybe the BBC report should have researched a bit further before featuring her in the article.

Researched what, to what end? All that stuff was posted after the article and the reaction to it. It's a counter-reaction.

And she's part of the history of the "Cotton Ceiling". Not just some random contributor. You can't omit part of the story you're trying to tell because you don't like one of the characters.

By the same logic they should have avoided featuring the transwoman Drew DeVeaux - did you know DeVeaux actually coined the "Cotton Ceiling" term? Not the sort of person you want to feature in an article...

Researched what, to what end? All that stuff was posted after the article and the reaction to it. It's a counter-reaction.

OK, I thought that stuff had been written before the article and someone had dug it up. Still doesn't really make it any less disturbing.

Neatly cropped down to make it look literal. The surrounding sentences make clear she's talking about their female "personas", and the post as a whole is based on "Lily Cade" already being dead. None of those names are any more real people than "Lily Cade".

Come on, if a transwoman had written that sort of content, we would all have plenty to say about it. We wouldn't be talking about it being 'cropped down' and 'personas'. Would we?

TRAs have been campaigning against Cade since at least 2015 because of her refusal to cast trans women in her lesbian porn. Calls for violence are never right but I can imagine she is very tired of the bullshit.

www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a39206/why-this-woman-is-calling-for-a-boycott-of-the-feminist-porn-awards/

Article in The Guardian about the BBC standing its ground. Mentions that more people wrote in support of the article, glad I emailed them positive feedback now.

Research to what end…? She’s raped numerous other lesbians. Including in women’s toilets… maybe that’s some relevant research no?

This is such a scary reply. She’s actually raped lesbians. Don’t claim to care about women when you’re defending an actual rapist.

@Yawnyawn123

This is such a scary reply. She’s actually raped lesbians. Don’t claim to care about women when you’re defending an actual rapist.

Who has defended her saying that? I can't see it?

Come on, if a transwoman had written that sort of content, we would all have plenty to say about it. We wouldn't be talking about it being 'cropped down' and 'personas'.

Are you kidding? IF? Transwomen write much worse content than this every day of the week. Worse and more offensive content than this is published by mainstream publishers and “feminist” websites.

I’d equate this piece in its offensiveness to the article I read by a trans woman saying how deeply they identified with Buffalo Bill. It’s repulsive and disgusting but I am willing to accept that the author of that article has not literally killed and skinned any women and does not literally plan to, just as Cade does not literally want to lynch transwomen.

(All the random Twitter transwomen who talk about how they want to rape and kill TERFs, or who send death threats, I’m less likely to believe they don’t literally mean what they say. There’s no wider textual context that would indicate irony or metaphor. I think those are mostly people who literally do want to kill us but aren’t going to actually do it because they’d have to get out of their gaming chairs.)

@Yawnyawn123

This is such a scary reply. She’s actually raped lesbians. Don’t claim to care about women when you’re defending an actual rapist.

Sexually assaulted may be, not raped. In the UK rape requires a penis.

The article discussing Cade in relation to the term 'cotton ceiling' and how it came about. The author is up front about who coined it.

The term is first thought to have been used in 2012 by a trans porn actress going by the name of Drew DeVeaux. She no longer works in the industry and I have not been able to contact her

Again, what is the reason for discrediting these women's stories based on the article mentioning Lily Cade in conjunction with how the term cotton ceiling came about?

If you are attempting to discredit the author or the article on this basis, do you see how that works to silence any more women coming forward with their stories? Or is that the point of the exercise.

Not one person has supported any deed or any thing that Lily Cade has said or done on this thread to my knowledge. Except to have said that if she had indeed been one of the 'informants' then why should she not be listened to as a victim? Or is it only the pure people that should have there stories listened to?

That has been the discussion around Cade's involvement.

No one is defending her, we’re just pointing out she’s only in the article because of the origin of the term cotton ceiling.

No matter what any woman has done they always have the right to define their sexual boundaries and lesbians sexual orientation means that’s same sex attracted.

There are no women who do not have the right to define sexual boundaries. Even the Rose West’s of the world have that right. I wouldn’t have any sympathy for her if she was a victim, but if we draw a line about which women are deserving of this right and which aren’t, then that line will only be used against us, moved against us, and predatory men will push the line further and further back until those of us deserving of that right are 0.

@Yawnyawn123

This is such a scary reply. She’s actually raped lesbians. Don’t claim to care about women when you’re defending an actual rapist.

I think it may help you to actually read the article.

And then please do come back and tell us why the article should be discredited for mentioning Lily Cade the way it has?

The amount of deflection on this thread is staggering, all because they can't admit the possibility that transwomen , just like any other males , can be rapists. How many women need to be raped ? How many lesbians need to suffer what is tantamount to conversion therapy, in order to validate some males who identify as women?

uk.news.yahoo.com/lesbian-porn-star-platformed-bbc-123812848.html

"Lily Cade, a transphobic lesbian porn star platformed by the BBC in an infamous article last week, has called from trans women to be “lynched” and “executed”

So that justifies ignoring lesbian women being raped by male people who identify as women?

@MargaritaPie

uk.news.yahoo.com/lesbian-porn-star-platformed-bbc-123812848.html

"Lily Cade, a transphobic lesbian porn star platformed by the BBC in an infamous article last week, has called from trans women to be “lynched” and “executed”

And what is your aim here pie.

The article discussing Cade in relation to the term 'cotton ceiling' and how it came about. The author is up front about who coined it.

The term is first thought to have been used in 2012 by a trans porn actress going by the name of Drew DeVeaux. She no longer works in the industry and I have not been able to contact her is what the author wrote and then did get comment from Lily Cade.

So, I repeat, what is the reason for discrediting these women's stories based on the article mentioning Lily Cade in conjunction with how the term cotton ceiling came about?

If you are attempting to discredit the author or the article on this basis, do you see how that works to silence any more women coming forward with their stories? Or is that the point of the exercise.

Not one person has supported any deed or any thing that Lily Cade has said or done on this thread to my knowledge. Except to have said that if she had indeed been one of the 'informants' then why should she not be listened to as a victim? Or is it only the pure people that should have there stories listened to?

That has been the discussion around Cade's involvement.

Please tell us pie what your aim is in posting this link?

The amount of deflection on this thread is staggering

People are, at long last, beginning to see the all the outlets for fury against women that this ideology attracts. As Helen Joyce said when she was interviewed. It's a misogyny magnet.

And, up until now, a lot of it has managed to be disguised. But now, when people are actually trying to discredit rape victims, the cat is out of the bag, and running around in ever decreasing circles.

Attacking these women is saying what? They should be raped? It doesn't matter that they were raped?

As Jane Clare Jones says, this is "the biggest patriarchal unmasking you could imagine".

Yep. And the faster they bring it on, the better.

If the journalist hadn’t explained where the term cotton ceiling originated from then she would have been discredited for that too.

I'm not interested in discussing "cotton ceiling" here, I'm more concerned with the fact Cade is a sex predator and her views on transwomen. In particular the recent article she wrote on her website which is a bit concerning. It reminds me of the sort of extreme thing a disturbed incel would write before going off and committing something bad.

@MargaritaPie

I'm not interested in discussing "cotton ceiling" here, I'm more concerned with the fact Cade is a sex predator and her views on transwomen. In particular the recent article she wrote on her website which is a bit concerning. It reminds me of the sort of extreme thing a disturbed incel would write before going off and committing something bad.

Go and start your own thread about Lilly Cade then.

This is the thread for discussing the bbc article about the cotton ceiling.

Anyone would think you don’t like being faced with the rapey term COTTON CEILING.

@MargaritaPie

uk.news.yahoo.com/lesbian-porn-star-platformed-bbc-123812848.html

"Lily Cade, a transphobic lesbian porn star platformed by the BBC in an infamous article last week, has called from trans women to be “lynched” and “executed”

"Platformed"?

Let's recap. In a piece published on October 26th, a journalist recounted the origins of a phrase that was going to be new to many readers.

Are you saying that the journalist should have been able to see into the future, have been able to see how LC would react to the backlash against the article after publication in November and have cleaned her from etymological history in advance?

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The term "cotton ceiling" is sometimes used when discussing these issues, but it is controversial.

It stems from"glass ceiling", which refers to an invisible barrier preventing women from climbing to the top of the career ladder. Cotton is a reference to women's underwear, with the phrase intended to represent the difficulty some trans women feel they face when seeking relationships or sex. "Breaking the cotton ceiling" means being able to have sex with a woman.

The term is first thought to have been used in 2012 by a trans porn actress going by the name of Drew DeVeaux. She no longer works in the industry and I have not been able to contact her. However, I spoke to a former porn performer and director who believes she inspired DeVeaux to use it.

@MargaritaPie

I'm not interested in discussing "cotton ceiling" here, I'm more concerned with the fact Cade is a sex predator and her views on transwomen. In particular the recent article she wrote on her website which is a bit concerning. It reminds me of the sort of extreme thing a disturbed incel would write before going off and committing something bad.

Do you mean that maybe pornography and working in the pornography industry is detrimental to mental health, and attitudes towards others?

Say it aint so!

"This is the thread for discussing the bbc article about the cotton ceiling"

I thought the BBC article was about implying that transwomen are sex predators?

I'm not interested in discussing "cotton ceiling" here, I'm more concerned with the fact Cade is a sex predator and her views on transwomen.

Go make your own thread then. You have before so we know that you can do it. I am sure anyone interested will go across.

Do you see though what you are doing right now on this thread? Or can you not admit that you are attempting to, deliberately or indirectly, discredit the original article?