BBC article about cotton ceiling

[GingerAndTheBiscuits]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385 including Angela Wild, Rose of Dawn and Debbie Hayton. There’s no way this would have been published even just a few months ago 🤯

@Angrysaurus

I'll just leave this here. www.gov.uk/complain-about-charity

If anyone wants to complain to the charities commission about Stonewalls homophobia and enthusiasm for coercive corrective rape.

STONEWALL EQUALITY LIMITED, Charity number: 1101255

The process is to first complain to the charity, which you know they won't respond to [email protected], when they ignore you or give unsatisfactory responses you can proceed with your complaint.

This. is. genius

on it

It's a very carefully written article - and I can't believe Nancy Kelley's statement. That's one that will haunt her, I think.

Unfortunately I doubt it, she’s has form. She very recently compared, in a BBC interview, GC views with being anti Semitic.

Cotton ceiling is such a crass term. I've just been reading about it.

The visuals of it are just horrific aren't they?
@VladmirsPoutine @MedusasBadHairDay

What are the origins of this term please? I had a quick google but couldn't find a quick answer.

What do you mean when you say the 'visuals' are horrific? Apologies if this makes me v. ignorant!

Are people just not reading the article?

'No one is saying that lesbians are transphobic not wanting to date transwomen'....

That is exactly what Stonewall is saying in their quote in the article!!!!!.

@NoviceNewMN

>>>Cotton ceiling is such a crass term. I've just been reading about it.

The visuals of it are just horrific aren't they?
@VladmirsPoutine @MedusasBadHairDay

What are the origins of this term please? I had a quick google but couldn't find a quick answer.

What do you mean when you say the 'visuals' are horrific? Apologies if this makes me v. ignorant!

Read the article, it explains it just fine

I can't believe I'm writing that and that we have been posting on here about it for years - it's still surprising to me.

It's worth remembering that (on another issue women have been raising for years) that when the fallout happened from the Aimee Challenor safeguarding scandal, Stonewall, despite all its work in education with children and young people, openly appointed Amy to their Trans Advisory group which advised schools.
Any other organisation that appointed an individual to work with schools with such serious criticisms about safeguarding failings would have been subject to serious scrutiny from the authorities charged with safeguarding children. In Stonewall's case, the authorities were completely silent about this and Stonewall were unchallenged about their open safeguarding breach, despite a significant presence working with children in schools.

@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet

Are people just not reading the article?

'No one is saying that lesbians are transphobic not wanting to date transwomen'....

That is exactly what Stonewall is saying in their quote in the article!!!!!.

See the post below yours.

Of course people are not reading the article.

Sorry - I don't mean to derail this important issue - just to highlight that there appears to be a pattern where commonly accepted standards in relation to safety of women and children appear to have been breached by this organisation.

Lovely picture of 'Get the L out' at Pride. Only 3 years too late.

Then remember when a couple of men claimed they had been assaulted by a male star and he was shut down instantly.

Or the male star comes out (still-loving wife at his side) before the shit hits the fan.

Lots of RTAs (Radical Transactivists) frothing about how dare people try to generalise from a minority etc.but seem to ignore the fact that Stonewall is supporting that 'minority'.

@NoviceNewMN

>>>Cotton ceiling is such a crass term. I've just been reading about it.

The visuals of it are just horrific aren't they?
@VladmirsPoutine @MedusasBadHairDay

What are the origins of this term please? I had a quick google but couldn't find a quick answer.

What do you mean when you say the 'visuals' are horrific? Apologies if this makes me v. ignorant!

It's referencing the glass ceiling, and the idea that women have to break through it. Except "cotton" refers to women's knickers. So the inference is that they need to "break through" them, which is such a violent rapey image.

I heard that ''Julia Long'' is actually an actress paid by Linehan.

Has anyone ever seen them in the same room? Graham is an actor, after all.

In fact....[checks mirror]...good god, I've just realised that I'm Graham Linehan too.

Is this all just smoke and mirrors to allow men to have access to underage/virgin female bodies?
That's the disturbing nutshell isn't it.
No one can see or call out the issue if they can't see men as men.

The Mail are now covering this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10132311/Some-lesbians-feel-pressured-sex-trans-women-fears-branded-transphobic.html#comments

@donquixotedelamancha

I heard that ''Julia Long'' is actually an actress paid by Linehan.

Has anyone ever seen them in the same room? Graham is an actor, after all.

In fact....[checks mirror]...good god, I've just realised that I'm Graham Linehan too.

How can that be? I am looking in my mirror and there is Graham Linehan! Jesus!

Wait, no, it's a photograph. I'm on youtube.

Okay. As you were.

@NecessaryScene

Statistically lesbians will always be a minority. Does that mean they don't count?

It means they're in real trouble. They're almost certainly outnumbered by men who want to fuck lesbians.

What chance to they have in an environment in which men are not shamed for trying to fuck them, but rather they are shamed for not wanting men to fuck them?

Jfc, I actually didn't think about how very, physically outnumbered lesbians are by these perverts. I knew that the fact that numbers of lesbians are statistically tiny made them more vulnerable to loss of spaces. But thinking about how many, many more 'transbians' there are is actually scary.

@GingerAndTheBiscuits

Stonewall: “Nobody should ever be pressured into dating, or pressured into dating people they aren't attracted to. But if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people, then it's worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions.“

This is conversion therapy by any other name isn’t it? “if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like men, or women, then it's worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions.” So sexuality is nurture not nature and we can all be shaped out of it.

As a therapist I know that when a patient talks everything before the 'but' can generally be discounted. It's what comes after the but that is the truth. So yes, Stonewall think we (and specifically gay women) should have sex with people we aren't attracted to in order to be equal. Which means what gay women want to do with their bodies is less important than what trans women want to do with theirs.

Funny how even after renouncing their maleness these transwomen still retain their male sense of entitlement to have sex with anyone they fancy.

@ScreamingMeMeSawUs

Aren't the trans suicide statistics based on a self selecting sample too?

Yes, I believe so...a sample of about 27 or something - so, you know, totally scientific .

I have sent feedback - thanks @WarriorN

How can that be? I am looking in my mirror and there is Graham Linehan! Jesus! Wait, no, it's a photograph. I'm on youtube. Okay. As you were.

You must be one of the few genuine women on MN. I understand that 90% of MNers are actually just Glinner arguing with himself.

Stonewall think we (and specifically gay women) should have sex with people we aren't attracted to in order to be equal. Which means what gay women want to do with their bodies is less important than what trans women want to do with theirs

Not just that, Stonewall seem to think that what lesbians want to do with their bodies is less important than what penis-havers want to do with lesbians' bodies.

And to think they used to be a gay rights organisation.