For the Attention of Posters in the "bloody terf" thread

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

So we can stop disrupting the OP's thread, and continue the discussion here.

[Gncq]

*Honestly, I don't get what you're expecting. That you can constantly beat someone over the head with something they have nothing to do with, and they'll obediently put up with it?

Well yeah quite, what has your "gender identity" got to do with me? Why beat women over the head with it when it's nothing to do with us. We just don't want males in female spaces because of basic reasons.

Any male who brushes aside basic safeguarding or basic notions of personal space, claiming it to be "nothing to do with me I'll do what I want" is exactly the sort you should be most worried about.

[TheWeeDonkey]

How do the Taliban know which people to kidnap and sell on as 'wives'?

How do they know which ones should not be allowed to attend school or be a part of their new government?

[Snailhaterz2]

Women's biology is still a thing, regardless of whether they can produce eggs or not. I'm post-menopausal, but it still takes me longer to go to the loo than a man of the same age - hence most building codes calculate this and require there to be more female toilets than male. Practically most women are smaller, have different body compositions than men and as Caroline Criado Perez explains in her book Invisible Women, this causes all sorts of problems in a world where a lot of "averages/normals" are worked on the basis of a male body.

[BloodinGutters]

Damn that wasn’t a serious question was it @BernardBlackMissesLangCleg.

When will people stop trying to deny aliens the right to exist??

[Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet]

What defines which "sex class" someone belongs to? Since we already established it's not the gametes.

Well, for millenia, no one had any fucking problem identifying who belonged to which sex class. You know, when they were deciding who to deny an abortion to, who to deny the vote to, an eduction to, who to murder at birth, who to rape as a weapon of war, who to 'make redundant' when they were pregnant, who to deny a promotion to, who to be able to lawfully rape as long as you married until the 1990s.......

But now, now its just oh so fucking difficult to identify who is which sex class?

Please.

It's just insulting.

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

[quote SillyStrings423]@PurgatoryOfPotholes
"Expand on what this social category encompasses. Describe it."

It typically encompasses masculine names and pronouns.[/quote]
Finally. Is there anything else to it?

[SillyStrings423]

@AlfonsoTheUnrepetant

So, a person who produces neither gamete is officially sexless, neither a man nor a woman.

*@SillyStrings423*, a human who does not produce gametes is either too or too young to do so or has a medical condition.

And there is no such thing as a "bimodal spectrum". Your posts shown a complete lack of understanding of basic terms.

Alright, let's assume they have a medical condition. This solves nothing. If membership to a sex class is defined by gametes, then someone who produces neither belongs in neither.

If they still belong to a sex class, that means their membership is defined by something other than gametes.

[TheWeeDonkey]

[quote BernardBlackMissesLangCleg]@SillyStrings423

how did irish surgeons (ireland again, they are cards there eh?) know which people to perform Symphysiotomies on?

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/12/symphysiotomy-irelands-brutal-alternative-to-caesareans

hope no men slipped through the net![/quote]
Fuck me!!!!!

You think you've heard it all. Every day is a school day

[Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet]

If they still belong to a sex class, that means their membership is defined by something other than gametes.

What makes a transwoman 'trans' then? If they don't know which sex class they are in to start with?

Mate, the women here aren't going to be gaslighted into believing that biological sex is some kind of 'grey area' and gender identity is set in stone.

[SillyStrings423]

@PurgatoryOfPotholes
"Finally. Is there anything else to it?"

I mean, my entire point is that I do not believe in restrictive categories. There isn't much to the labels of "man" and "woman", because the entire point is that they should be chosen identities.

I'm sure you want some gotcha about "stereotypes", but that's the thing, I don't believe a man or a woman needs to be a specific way to be one.

[AlfonsoTheUnrepetant]

@SillyStrings423, if your posts are made in the forest and no one reads them, are they still gibberish?

I'll answer that for you: yes.

Your posts belong to the membership class of ridiculous nonsense words strung together in a haphazard way.

[BloodinGutters]

@TheWeeDonkey

Sex itself is a sum of physical characteristics that fall on a bimodal spectrum. Many of these characteristics can be altered, and the process of doing so alters one's sex. To chalk this up to "two sexes" is a gross oversimplification.

So in answer PickAChew people like us who are post-menopausal have now moved along the sex spectrum. Acording to Genderism we are now ex women or post women or formely women.

Personally I always quite fancied being a postwoman I like walking and wearing shorts, but not sure about dogs I don't know.

Being an X Woman would be fun, I wouldn't mind developing a super power, much more fun that hot flushes, brain fog and being constantly pissed off.

You will be fine with my dog. He’s very friendly. He identifies as a human. Therefore he must be one and you must understand he is more human than you are and he will explain how humanity works.

[SillyStrings423]

@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet

If they still belong to a sex class, that means their membership is defined by something other than gametes.

What makes a transwoman 'trans' then? If they don't know which sex class they are in to start with?

Mate, the women here aren't going to be gaslighted into believing that biological sex is some kind of 'grey area' and gender identity is set in stone.

Identifying as different gender than the one assigned at birth is what makes someone trans.

[NecessaryScene]

If membership to a sex class is defined by gametes, then someone who produces neither belongs in neither.

Incorrect.

If they still belong to a sex class, that means their membership is defined by something other than gametes.

Incorrect.

If someone is infertile, then the sort of fertility treatment they need will depend on their sex.

Professor Winston is a pioneer of fertility treatment due to his amazing ability to figure out who needs what sort of treatment.

Clearly you'd be rubbish at it.

[Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet]

I mean, my entire point is that I do not believe in restrictive categories. There isn't much to the labels of "man" and "woman", because the entire point is that they should be chosen identities.

Only someone who has never faced oppression due to a biological sex that they are unable to identify their way out of would say something like this. It's so insulting to oppressed women to say that there 'isn't much to the labels of man and woman'. To those women, those labels mean a hell of a lot!

[BernardBlackMissesLangCleg]

and the circle of nonsense is complete...

[TheWeeDonkey]

How someone can identify as a woman while simultaniously having no understanding or care of women or women's lives is breathtaking.

I mean I've seen it all before but its still quite something to see.

[Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet]

Identifying as different gender than the one assigned at birth is what makes someone trans.

But I thought it was really difficult to tell which sex class everyone was in?

But a transwoman is someone who is of the sex class of male (including penis, testicles etc) who identifies as a woman. So we do know which sex class people are in? Because you said it's really difficult to tell?

[BernardBlackMissesLangCleg]

I've been googling alien conspiracy theories @BloodinGutters but it's a surprisingly weak seam for nonsense compared to the rich, fresh stream of ordure we're being treated to here

sorry

[Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet]

[quote AlfonsoTheUnrepetant]@SillyStrings423, if your posts are made in the forest and no one reads them, are they still gibberish?

I'll answer that for you: yes.

Your posts belong to the membership class of ridiculous nonsense words strung together in a haphazard way.[/quote]

[TheWeeDonkey]

Thats good to know @BloodinGutters. Does your dogs understanding of humanity have anything to do with sausages?

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

[quote SillyStrings423]@PurgatoryOfPotholes
"Finally. Is there anything else to it?"

I mean, my entire point is that I do not believe in restrictive categories. There isn't much to the labels of "man" and "woman", because the entire point is that they should be chosen identities.

I'm sure you want some gotcha about "stereotypes", but that's the thing, I don't believe a man or a woman needs to be a specific way to be one.[/quote]
What I want is a proper conversation. Your name evokes fond memories, so brings me here, full of enthusiasm, and the subconscious expectation that we could make get on well, despite our differing beliefs.

You said this.

There is no lie in the fact that you wish to keep people trapped in the social categories of "man" and "woman" against their will.

So, you're saying that this trapping consists of using sex-based pronouns? Is that right? I don't want to put words in your mouth.

[PickAChew]

If identity is all about the name you use, then I'm a badly spelled pokemon, weak to ground types. Pika/pika.

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

Am I, as a feminist, supposed to have an issue with the character Michael Burnham from Star Trek: Discovery for her name?

[SillyStrings423]

@Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet

Identifying as different gender than the one assigned at birth is what makes someone trans.

But I thought it was really difficult to tell which sex class everyone was in?

But a transwoman is someone who is of the sex class of male (including penis, testicles etc) who identifies as a woman. So we do know which sex class people are in? Because you said it's really difficult to tell?

There are post-GRS trans women that you wouldn't be able to tell are "male" even if you had then stripped naked. There is plenty instances where one's sex isn't actually easy to tell. But I've never said that observing external physical characteristics is universally difficult. What I did say is that those external characteristics are malleable, which they are.