"Trans Criminals are not Women" says Priti Patel

[Fluffymule]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10124021/Priti-Patel-orders-woke-police-stop-recording-offences-trans-women-female-crime-stats.html

I thought this was interesting.

So, what's the TRA argument against this going to be? Surely a backlash against this ruling from the Home Secretary by insisting these criminals, including rapists must by named as Women would simply shine huge amounts of sunlight on an unpalatable issue?

The figures don’t reflect those prisoners who have a GRC. This in itself should be enough to repeal the GRA.

@JudyGemstone

I’ve been doing some thinking and I think maybe I’m ok with transwomen in female spaces until it comes to any trans women who have offended, especially against women/children

Be sure to let the appropriate authorities know you’re happy to share with a transwoman when you’re next in prison but you don’t get to make that declaration for anyone else

Somewhat disconcerting to find myself cheering about something Priti Patel has said.

By coincidence I've just stumbled across this on MSN. Another 'no-one should challenge us' piece.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/why-margaret-atwood-s-defense-of-the-word-woman-is-misguided-and-why-it-s-so-important-to-get-it-right/ar-AAPPN05?ocid=msedgntp

[quote Feedingthebirds1]By coincidence I've just stumbled across this on MSN. Another 'no-one should challenge us' piece.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/why-margaret-atwood-s-defense-of-the-word-woman-is-misguided-and-why-it-s-so-important-to-get-it-right/ar-AAPPN05?ocid=msedgntp[/quote]
My word.

We are such Morlocks to their Eloi.

Well she talks sense. The more I listen to her, the more I like her

WOW

Same @TableFlowerss

@FreeBritnee

This is why the conservatives will stay in power. They are the only party that have the balls to voice an unpopular opinion.

Priti - thank you so much. This after that lame response about that petition on the same issue. They also need to look at stopping the devolved administrations from skewing UK data.

@FannyCann

436 rapists recorded as women. That would be women with a penis as in law rape requires a penis.

Staggeringly ridiculous.

So what will happen to any trans-identifying people in prison currently? In future sentencing regarding allocation to prisons? To the statistics that have been so fundamentally skewed by the recording of male crimes within the female category? And why only for crime recording - why not in all facets of life?

It’s disappointing she didn’t say anything sooner. The whole point of having someone vicious and uncompromising in these roles is that they are supposed to pick this shit up early.

I find reading DM articles online very difficult to read, they’re so full of pop ups, ads and links to totally unrelated content (and why is it always Peter bloody Andre!!).

I cannot see from the article their actual source on where this has come from? If says “The change was revealed in an official response to feminist campaigners calling for an overhaul of the rules.” does anyone know what that is actually referring to?

Its very poorly written, not least because I can’t see any evidence that Patel has said the apparent quote in the headline, but also seeming to say that the figure of 436 individuals recorded as women prosecuted for rape between 2012-2018 (not convicted or in prison, btw - prosecuted. There is a ~5% conviction rate for rape, IIRC) was calculated by Prof Sullivan - actually she simply highlighted the governments own statistics on this, I believe when submitting evidence to the Scottish Parliament recently. Thread discussing that here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4360759-More-than-one-woman-a-week-prosecuted-for-rape

I do think the Tories are purposefully getting ahead on these issues now, in a calculated fashion. Whereas Labour and other parties who self-identify as “progressive” only comment either in Stonewall pre-approved slogans, or react when really given no other option to by Andrew Marr etc (and then tend to make a tit of themselves showing up their poor understanding of what the issues actually are), the Tories are carefully putting out very uncontraversial things like “keep up the hard work LGBA” from Johnson and now “police should record offenders by their actual sex not self-ID gender” from Patel - anyone who would find these statements problematic would never vote Tory anyway, so they really don’t have to worry about anyone who would find these moves offensive. But this is how the Tories hold the middle ground, the centrist swing voters, this is how Labour lose the next election and the Tories stay in power. Which is overall still bad for women. Although at least maybe crime stats may be vaguely accurate when it comes to offenders’ sex.

I find reading DM articles online very difficult to read, they’re so full of pop ups, ads and links to totally unrelated content

Would a service like Push to Kindle work for you (free for personal use)?

www.fivefilters.org/push-to-kindle/

@ArabellaScott

If the Tories will properly stand up for women, I will vote for them.

I mean, given that much of this mess was their doing in the first place, it's not going to be enthusiastic support, but I will not see women sacrificed for the left's purity mission.

Yep. I am finding it easier and easier to vote Conservative even though originally I was just trying to stop the SNP.

Much clearer article, and from a feminist platform to boot, although still not being clear on what/where this “official response to feminists” is

4w.pub/uk-home-office-orders/

So “Trans criminals are not women”, but Transwomen who are not criminals, are? What a minefield…

[quote EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]I find reading DM articles online very difficult to read, they’re so full of pop ups, ads and links to totally unrelated content

Would a service like Push to Kindle work for you (free for personal use)?

www.fivefilters.org/push-to-kindle/[/quote]
Very possibly, Thankyou, although my technophobia extends to still preferring actual books to kindle and the idea of trying to use some kind of proxy service to access…..well, I’m really not sure I am keen enough to read DM articles to overcome that! Thankyou for trying to help though!

@JudyGemstone

I’ve been doing some thinking and I think maybe I’m ok with transwomen in female spaces until it comes to any trans women who have offended, especially against women/children

No, thank you. You might be ok with that, but I’m certainly not! No woman or child should be in the position of feeling vulnerable in a space that is meant to be exclusively theirs.

@Cactu

There are estimated to be 200-500,000 trans people in the UK (male and female). We know 423 transwomen have been convicted of rape alone since 2013. Rates of offending are extremely high within this group. Why is this just being brushed under the carpet?

I don’t believe that statistic that there are that many trans people in the UK.

@Warmduscher

Finding common ground with Priti Patel is proper doing my head in.

This......

@gamerchick

Thing is, the shit that bothers me. All this has been happening under Tory rule. Why do they care now?

If the T was only added to LGB in 2015 by Stonewall, a lot has happened 'under the radar' really quickly under 3 different Tory PMs whilst everyone was distracted by Brexit (2016). I suppose they care about the potential votes of 51% of the population in a way that Labour, LibDems, SNP, Greens etc quite clearly do not.

Finally, some good news

@EdgeOfTheSky

Ms Patel needs to read what her Civil Servants are saying to those of us who signed the petition demanding that sex-based records be kept….

I think/hope maybe she has. I was going to complain to my MP about the wording/knockback but the murder of David Amess stopped me.

@Warmduscher

Finding common ground with Priti Patel is proper doing my head in.

Yes finding out that Priti Useless is not quite as useless as I thought is taking me some time to process.