"Trans Criminals are not Women" says Priti Patel

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10124021/Priti-Patel-orders-woke-police-stop-recording-offences-trans-women-female-crime-stats.html

I thought this was interesting.

So, what's the TRA argument against this going to be? Surely a backlash against this ruling from the Home Secretary by insisting these criminals, including rapists must by named as Women would simply shine huge amounts of sunlight on an unpalatable issue?

(Whereas 11% of us said anyone else's sexuality was nobody's business at all.)

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Strangely, Conservatives were more liberal than Labour about the right of gays to exist, back in the early eighties; 61% of Tory voters said that homosexuality could never be right, against 67% of Labour voters, in a poll in about 1983. But then came AIDs, and a lot of people became very frightened and because they were frightened, very cruel.

I hadn’t heard this before but it makes sense in light of voting patterns of the time.

Thanks for posting that.

I did not know that either. However I am aware of the significant number of senior women, and black and ethnic minority figures both within Government and within the senior ranks of the Tory party, without any great fuss being made, and despite Labour considering itself the natural home for minorities.

From memory it was John Major who relaxed rules on male homosexuals in the army and Foreign Office, seemingly because he felt it was the natural thing to do, and without any apparent push back from his MPs or the party.

@saltandherbsandnothingnice

All of you saying you'd now vote Tory. It is totally up to you and I can see why you would but their support right now is purely cynical. Tories don't care about women or women's rights. They have seen this is an issue where they can split the left and pick up votes and foster hatred of Starmer. They will - and did - swing the other way if that becomes the strategic thing to do to hold on to power.

Don't forget Maria Miller (Tory MP) first introduced the Self-ID stuff and MPs like Caroline Nokes and Penny Mordaunt quite often say TWAW and 'be kind'. They are just trying to appeal to different crowds and strategically covering all bases. Don't mistake that for being aligned with or caring about women like we do. What they have done to women in this country in the past 11 years is disgraceful (from cuts to DV refuges and to legal aid to getting rid of the Universal Credit uplift which hurt single mums the most). Nothing feminist about em.

But of course I am also glad that they now see it as benefial to them strategically to be pro-reality on this - they have the most accurate polling and it must mean that they know we are now in the majority!

Labour have no policies to reverse the removal of the UC uplift, nor were there any provisions at the last election to increase benefits. The myth that Labour would give more money to the poorest needs to be put to bed permanently because since Corbyn became leader that issue was firmly off the agenda.

@Needmoresleep

I did not know that either. However I am aware of the significant number of senior women, and black and ethnic minority figures both within Government and within the senior ranks of the Tory party, without any great fuss being made, and despite Labour considering itself the natural home for minorities.

From memory it was John Major who relaxed rules on male homosexuals in the army and Foreign Office, seemingly because he felt it was the natural thing to do, and without any apparent push back from his MPs or the party.

Needmoresleep Labour considering itself the natural home for minorities.

Maybe Labour had been desperately seeking about for a minority to champion and be the natural home for, and finding that all the parties were ok with women, ethnic minorities, homosexuals and the disabled, had to settle for paedophiles and transsexuals....

Asking, I suspect the mods will delete your post.

I personally don't think the Tories are "anti-trans". There is a range of views within the Tory party that perhaps reflects the views within the country as a whole. Several prominent MPs including Penny Mordaunt and Maria Miller are clearly not GC, and indeed some prominent transgender activists have been Conservative Party members including Christine Burns and someone else, (from Yorkshire?) whose name I forget but who used to be vocal.

My own sense is that the main difference is that the Tories seem more sensitive to the need to protect women's spaces, whilst other parties place greater emphasis on the needs of a community they consider very marginalised.

And we get to vote....

@Needmoresleep

Asking, I suspect the mods will delete your post.

I personally don't think the Tories are "anti-trans". There is a range of views within the Tory party that perhaps reflects the views within the country as a whole. Several prominent MPs including Penny Mordaunt and Maria Miller are clearly not GC, and indeed some prominent transgender activists have been Conservative Party members including Christine Burns and someone else, (from Yorkshire?) whose name I forget but who used to be vocal.

My own sense is that the main difference is that the Tories seem more sensitive to the need to protect women's spaces, whilst other parties place greater emphasis on the needs of a community they consider very marginalised.

And we get to vote....

I think the main difference is that the Tory Party is willing to have the debate, as opposed to the Liberal Democrats and Labour who are determined to intimidate and hounding of women into silence, creating a false consensus for this erosion of Women's rights.

It's a sad day when Women can't even discuss their current rights under the Equality Act, without fear of abuse, loss of livelihoods, etc.

And for it to be sanctioned by men and women who hope to lead our country, is even more shocking.