Boris Johnson backs Kathleen Stock and LGB Alliance in trans rights row

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Times article:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bcd547fc-3281-11ec-820f-e2be9b2cb5fd?shareToken=5c3a9e0bca841aaf9e00e4221e557a2f

shag a Tory frog

@donquixotedelamancha

That's not "support", it's a generic answer that they'll send pretty much anyone who writes

I don't agree, they know who the LGBA are and how controversial saying 'keep up the good work' is. I'll bet they don't get responses like that from Labour or the Lib Dems.

It is unthinkable that the same response would be issued by Labour or Lib Dems.

The letter did read a bit like "send the usual - sorry I can't come but you're doing splendidly" reply but I don't think Johnson or someone in Johnson's is unaware of the issues here and the implications of sending it.

It shouldn't have taken this long. Other Tory Ministers have expressed concerns about the threat to free speech in Universities and there is talk of tightening laws.

I think it took this long because (1) the judgement in Maya Forstater's case needed time to filter through to HR/policy departments, (2) Boris couldn't just wade into a live disagreement or debate as PM, so he had to wait until there was a less contentious issue he could express approval about - this is perfect as he's not condemning anyone or anything; he's simply declining an invite to a charity event which must be a commonplace occurrence, so it's understated and perfectly reasonable, (3) Nolan investigates must have helped in focussing public figures' minds on whether they're seen to be favouring Stonewall’s views above others, as well as highlighting much of the alarm and controversy around the issue and (4) he knows the sex/gender debate has pushed a huge number of left-wing voters towards the right, so it was necessary for him to welcome them with open arms at some point - he couldn't stay neutral forever if he wants to catch those votes.

[quote Bellendejour]**@DraintheBlood* Of course if that involved saying he would suck a tw cock he would say that.*

Lol!

Sorry but I am so pumped about this! I just think at this stage this is so fundamental we just have to like shag a Tory frog 🐸 and I say that as a lifelong Labour voter (and non Tory frogshagger)[/quote]
Can we gag and bag him before we shag him?

If we did that I could possibly froggy it up, on the basis we’d be screwed by worse if we let our vaginas be repelled by the slimy green warty thing.

(I’m in a safe Tory seat so i can stick to spoiling my ballot & save my vagina)

@LonginesPrime

It shouldn't have taken this long. Other Tory Ministers have expressed concerns about the threat to free speech in Universities and there is talk of tightening laws.

I think it took this long because (1) the judgement in Maya Forstater's case needed time to filter through to HR/policy departments, (2) Boris couldn't just wade into a live disagreement or debate as PM, so he had to wait until there was a less contentious issue he could express approval about - this is perfect as he's not condemning anyone or anything; he's simply declining an invite to a charity event which must be a commonplace occurrence, so it's understated and perfectly reasonable, (3) Nolan investigates must have helped in focussing public figures' minds on whether they're seen to be favouring Stonewall’s views above others, as well as highlighting much of the alarm and controversy around the issue and (4) he knows the sex/gender debate has pushed a huge number of left-wing voters towards the right, so it was necessary for him to welcome them with open arms at some point - he couldn't stay neutral forever if he wants to catch those votes.

Interesting points thanks.

Please don't be pumped about this. The Tories anti-woke agenda also includes negating human rights, reducing legal aid, anti-Black Lives Matter, anti-charity lobbying and lots of other scary stuff. We agree with him on one thing but many other things are pretty regressive.

Given that the Tories are going to be in power for the foreseeable future, it's better that they are showing some sense on this issue at least.

Bouledeneige and the alternative is

Unfortunately it is likely to galvanise Nicolas Sturgeon in her homophobic antiwoman agenda.

@Bouledeneige

Please don't be pumped about this. The Tories anti-woke agenda also includes negating human rights, reducing legal aid, anti-Black Lives Matter, anti-charity lobbying and lots of other scary stuff. We agree with him on one thing but many other things are pretty regressive.

Yes. But this is the most important thing for me. So if I have a vote to cast I am not going to give it to a party that wants to take the word woman and erase any meaning it has ever had - which is all the others.

So thank you Boris. Keep it up and I might actually go Blue which is something I thought could never happen.

@Bouledeneige

Please don't be pumped about this. The Tories anti-woke agenda also includes negating human rights, reducing legal aid, anti-Black Lives Matter, anti-charity lobbying and lots of other scary stuff. We agree with him on one thing but many other things are pretty regressive.

We can be over the moon happy that he shows a sliver of support on this issue and not agree with him on any other one.

Women are allowed to put women first. FEMinism is allowed to centre females and not fix every fucking thing else wrong in the world. Women don’t have to screw ourselves over by prioritising feelings of guilt about other groups struggles.

Appealing to female socialisation to put ourselves last always can fuck right along already.

@Theeyeballsinthesky

I will never not find it amusing that ppl who are on the side of “suck my girl dick”, the side that sends rape & death threats & the side that has physically attacked women think they have any moral high ground in this matter whatsoever

I mean it’s quite a feat to be that lacking in self awareness

Yes. I see Blueberry has come and plopped again showing just how much thought they put into posts.

We all have ‘Repent Motherfucker’ ringing in our ears to the sound of a massive tambourine. And Blueberry tries the ‘look at who you are allied with’ move, yet again!!

Repent motherfucker!

RepentMotherfucker

To be clear! I was not invoking your name in vain or yelling your name full volume!

Good to see you here though…

Doesn't that actually tell you something about the nature of your beliefs?
@BlueberryCheezecake it just tells us that when 95% of the population agree with us (once they are actually fully aware of the issue) there will be people from all sorts of political outlooks among them.

@donquixotedelamancha

That's not "support", it's a generic answer that they'll send pretty much anyone who writes

I don't agree, they know who the LGBA are and how controversial saying 'keep up the good work' is. I'll bet they don't get responses like that from Labour or the Lib Dems.

I think it gives plausible deniability if they get more of a pushback than they're prepared to tolerate.

Please don't be pumped about this. The Tories anti-woke agenda also includes negating human rights, reducing legal aid, anti-Black Lives Matter, anti-charity lobbying and lots of other scary stuff. We agree with him on one thing but many other things are pretty regressive.

Absolutely, but if nothing else, it may make other parties reconsider their positions on what a woman is and whether they should be publicly condemning women for expressing their own opinions about what a woman is.

Absolutely helleofabore

I really don’t want to be on the side of aggressive sign destroying attempting murdering man…or repent motherfucker tambourine person or weirdly aggressive stripy top person

I don’t want to be on a side…its posters like blueberry who seem to want me to pick one

This is so true rufus.

I think it gives plausible deniability if they get more of a pushback than they're prepared to tolerate.

I think there's someone tasked to fill in the blanks in these kinds of letters, as they'll get many. I know a generic letter when I see one and this is one.

RepentMotherFucker and DraintheBlood I totally care and agree with our cause. All I'm saying is that they are very uncomfortable bedfellows for me. I will never be a Tory and they are still a very nasty party. But I refuse to be silenced as a woman and a feminist.

If it’s all so meaningless and just what politicians do to all charities, why haven’t Keir starmer & Ed davey done it? I mean if it’s all so generic and there’s nothing to see here??

I wonder if when poc go yay a political party listened for once, other poc come along and tell them not to be happy because that political party is cluster fuck of shitty to women.

Actually I don’t wonder. Blm are allowed to just be blm and ignore the all lives matter crowd. As they should. Just like the communist party doesn’t try to include capitalist policies also.

‘Inclusive’ has a very insidious side.

That’s... good, I suppose. More the merrier.

Wish it was coming from Labour or the Greens though, so I’d have someone to vote for.

I think it gives plausible deniability if they get more of a pushback than they're prepared to tolerate.

I agree, but it's still fairly significant.

The Tories anti-woke agenda also includes negating human rights, reducing legal aid, anti-Black Lives Matter, anti-charity lobbying and lots of other scary stuff. We agree with him on one thing but many other things are pretty regressive.

Being a Tory doesn't mean some sort of evil collective consiousness. There are lots of perfectly legitimate critisms of things like BLM (the organisation, not the cause) or NGO lobbying. I don't think there is any excuse for their policies on the HR act or legal aid but that doesn't make them cartoon monsters.

If we aren't going to seek to influence government policy WTF is the point of all this?

@Bouledeneige

RepentMotherFucker and DraintheBlood I totally care and agree with our cause. All I'm saying is that they are very uncomfortable bedfellows for me. I will never be a Tory and they are still a very nasty party. But I refuse to be silenced as a woman and a feminist.

Read the point i made up thread.

Tribalism has narrowed thinking considerably. This is not about sides, no one is bedfellows (lillypad fellows maybe?) no one has to qualify their feelings on his statement with a disclaimer listing everything they hate about him or torys.

If it's just a generic letter, filled out by someone tasked to 'fill in the blanks' and isn't a show of support in some even vague way, it shows an extraordinary lack of knowledge by the person filling in the blanks about the current situation at the University of Sussex and the continual attacks against the charitable status of the LGB Alliance by lobbying groups with an axe to grind. A strange stage of affairs from people working in the political area. Are TRA's genuinely claiming that this letter was basically sent out by accident?