Julia Bindel on the FiLia conference

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Julie Bindel on the annual FiLiA conference in Portsmouth:

unherd.com/thepost/the-misogyny-of-trans-activists

• sorry, C&P fail: This fear.

That's a cracking letter from maya Forstater.

I don't think transactivists are capable of organising a peaceful protest. That's not why they turn up. They turn up to yell at women.

Steph is still bleating on about why men have to show up and moan that women were unreasonable enough to answer a consultation they way they wanted to and were invited to by the government.

The fact is @FiLiA*_charity
made unreasonable submissions to the government regarding GRA reform. In consequence, it is reasonable for people to call them out."

@Wildfart

Steph is still bleating on about why men have to show up and moan that women were unreasonable enough to answer a consultation they way they wanted to and were invited to by the government.

The fact is @FiLiA*_charity
made unreasonable submissions to the government regarding GRA reform. In consequence, it is reasonable for people to call them out."

Unbelievable.

The fact is the submissions were analytical and persuasive enough for the government to shelf self ID.

Oops, no space bar. Reddit won’t be pleased with this micro aggression.

The fact is @FiLiA*_charity made unreasonable submissions to the government regarding GRA reform

Like what? What was "unreasonable" about them?

They were unreasonable in that they insisted that many female people needed sex based provisions for their equality, access and inclusion, and that these cannot be mixed sex. Which interrupts and limits the freedom of male born people into all women's spaces without exceptions and resists the idea that TWAW.

The wholly unacceptable unreasonableness is female humans saying sorry, biology does exist, is real and for a good number of us without recognition of that and female only spaces our equality, access and inclusion is impossible. And look what happens in reality.

Unreasonable because FiLiA doesn’t agree with Steph on this one issue.

What Steph fails to understand, is Steph won’t achieve what Steph wants by campaigning against people who disagree with Steph. In order to achieve what Steph wants, she needs to counter the points and concerns put forward by people who disagree with Steph, and win the argument, by persuading the decision makers. Jane Clare Jones was saying this in her session on class analysis at FiLiA - the identity politics crowd think the way to success is getting rid of all the individual people and groups that have “bad” thoughts/ideas/concerns. They don’t understand they need to engage in the debate, not just smear the debaters.

Like what? What was "unreasonable" about them?
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They don’t understand they need to engage in the debate, not just smear the debaters.

But, surely our understanding is not necessary for our compliance? Barclays indicated as much in that advert (was it really only June of this year?).

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4284661-And-Barclays-dont-give-a-stuff-either

I think the countering to female concerns is 'but they don't matter'.

They won't be getting compliance, because I understand perfectly well what's going on.

They don’t understand they need to engage in the debate, not just smear the debaters.

I think they do and that's why they do the smearing.

@Wildfart

Steph is still bleating on about why men have to show up and moan that women were unreasonable enough to answer a consultation they way they wanted to and were invited to by the government.

The fact is @FiLiA*_charity
made unreasonable submissions to the government regarding GRA reform. In consequence, it is reasonable for people to call them out."

Yes, Steph and their minions are true little soldiers of the misogynistic, authoritarian patriarchy just look at their tweet:

We are protesting with the official support of Amnesty International that FiLiA has failed to recognise the proper reform of the GRA. I fully recognise that FiLiA does some great work in other areas - they need to speak to trans people and review their policy.

This feminist organisation must do feminism as I instruct, must hold opinions I hold, must say what I approve of, must agree with me, must do what I direct them to do, must not approve of anything I do not approve of.

No Steph, we don't.

Steph.
No, thank you

Apparently Claire Udy has now involved the police!
twitter.com/encircledbysea/status/1450531895683567619?t=rPTE-8rtfzswRivTI-ZsRg&s=19

Well that should be interesting!

More 'they're making our bad behaviour look bad!' lunacy.

[quote Imnobody4]Apparently Claire Udy has now involved the police!
twitter.com/encircledbysea/status/1450531895683567619?t=rPTE-8rtfzswRivTI-ZsRg&s=19[/quote]
I struggle to see how this is "doxing" when the individuals concerned published the photos - complete with tagging of the sign-holders - on their own instagram pages.

A friend of mine at school once got into trouble after being seen on telly at Wimbledon when she was meant to be "off sick" from school. I'll have to tell her that she wasn't caught on camera doing something she wished the grown-ups hadn't seen, she was in fact being doxed and should have reported it to the police

Well anyone can send in a Crimestoppers online form and say they've 'involved the police'.

Amnesty responded to my email to say they did not organise a protest of Filia:

'The protest outside the FiLiA conference in Portsmouth was not organised by Amnesty International UK.

We responded to a request from the organisers and sent placards for their planned peaceful demonstration in support of trans rights.

However, we have since received reports of offensive behaviour at the demonstration. We take this very seriously and we are investigating.'

I wonder if the protestors even bothered telling Amnesty where and how the placards were going to be used, for example outside a Filia event giving a voice to rape victims from war zones? I'm sure that I saw something about them being sent for waving about at the Great South Run, on that Steph person's own blog?

(Portsmouth's Guildhall is nowhere near the Great South Run route, for the sake of clarity.)

Having said that, I'm not sure that I trust Amnesty any longer to investigate this properly or be truthful about the outcome. I'm another disillusioned ex-member who saw Amnesty's descent into Hades.

Yes, but surely even Amnesty draw the line at rape threats to rape survivors?

Amnesty responded to my email to say they did not organise a protest of Filia

Well done for asking the question. I am not startled they disowned prior knowledge of how their support would be used.

It is now up to them to instruct Steph to correct the claims in that blog post. I have no confidence in Amnesty following up in any manner far less conducting an investigation.

@ArabellaScott

his fear of some sort of riot underlines the scale of the GC feminist bogeywoman

Surely the fear wasn't of gc feminists?

Idk, I really think there's something 'if you say it enough you start to really believe it' when it comes to the Literal Violence claim. It's hard to conclude for sure from Steph's rather verbose take on events, but I think plenty of TRAs do perceive feminists defending single sex spaces as indistinguishable from the actual threat of violence which is invariably, and intrinsically, male.

Well I felt literally frightened by the abuse I got. Using the word correctly!