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Julia Bindel on the FiLia conference

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ChristinaXYZ · 16/10/2021 20:03

Julie Bindel on the annual FiLiA conference in Portsmouth:

unherd.com/thepost/the-misogyny-of-trans-activists

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Wildfart · 18/10/2021 20:39

From Steph's blog

A success?

The goal was for FiLiA to have their conference without a violent incident, and this was achieved.

What, so that's your achievement?

No-one hit a woman at a protest of a conference about global violence against women?

You feeling pleased about that Steph?

Should we be grateful to you that no one hit a woman Steph?

Sure sounds like you are taking that as a positive?

PronounssheRa · 18/10/2021 20:44

Oh look, on that insta page, same 2 TRAs same sign with threat of sexualised violence. False flag though Confused

Also are we supposed to thank steph because no women was assaulted, that's a low bar steph, very low.

Wildfart · 18/10/2021 20:47

May I remind you, this is a group of people who call.it a microaggression if you don't use the spacebar on your keyboard when typing "transwoman".

Worth repeating.

WeeBisom · 18/10/2021 20:57

I did chuckle at Steph's place having to admit that the gender critical women at the conference were actually pleasant, cheerful and nice. So much so that Steph begins to doubt that the attendees were actually gender critical! I find it very hard to believe that Steph genuinely was worried about there being a riot at the conference. I sometimes think that TRAS build up the threat and bogeywoman of the evil gender critical up in their minds (being permanently on twitter and reddit doesn't help) so that when they finally meet someone who disagrees it comes as a surprise that they are just a normal person who doesn't want to murder trans people.

Wildfart · 18/10/2021 21:01

Also from Steph's blog

But sadly FiLiA has lost its way regarding human rights.

It's all about the men who Steph. Fil

Wildfart · 18/10/2021 21:02

It's all about the men Steph.

Helleofabore · 18/10/2021 21:04

I think if someone was worried there would be a riot at the event, it would not be the people attending the event that would be involved.

Just like it is not women threatening trans activists, assaulting trans activists, screaming in their faces and calling them cunts.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 18/10/2021 21:05

@Wildfart

Also from Steph's blog

But sadly FiLiA has lost its way regarding human rights.

It's all about the men who Steph. Fil

It seems Steph regrets that FiLiA and similar organisations are rather pro including women's rights as part of human rights. That may well seem to be rather a body blow to someone who considers them inferior to the needs of others and disposable at the point of convenience.
Waitwhat23 · 18/10/2021 21:06

It all strikes me as very 'you made me do it!' abuser tactics.

Funny, we've not got any of our usual TRA posters here to defend their friends and allies making violent sexual threats against women. I wonder why...

GoodieMoomin · 18/10/2021 21:08

Agree @RainbowCrossing. I would like to propose a new acronym: GITs.

It stands for Gender Identity Theorists.

Alektopteryx · 18/10/2021 21:17

I always think that would be more convincing if the internet weren't awash with images and tweets like this. 'We wouldn't do that' is much less convincing when you do shit like that, and worse, all day every day.

Yup.

Julia Bindel on the FiLia conference
Julia Bindel on the FiLia conference
Julia Bindel on the FiLia conference
ArabellaScott · 18/10/2021 21:17

FiLiA is an outstanding feminist organisation that does some fantastic work (even the anti-fae members agree with that). As a feminist I would have loved to have been in that hall. My understanding is that they did not talk that much about the 'gender war'.

Disappointed they weren't centring you, Steph?

ArabellaScott · 18/10/2021 21:18

@Waitwhat23

It all strikes me as very 'you made me do it!' abuser tactics.

Funny, we've not got any of our usual TRA posters here to defend their friends and allies making violent sexual threats against women. I wonder why...

I'm sure one of our regular posters will be along very soon. Any minute.
CakeSale · 18/10/2021 21:24

Also from Instagram a protestor boasts about the “suck my dick energy everywhere” they brought to the protest.

To a conference about violence against women where they must have known there would be survivors.

CakeSale · 18/10/2021 21:25

Pics referred to above.

Julia Bindel on the FiLia conference
Julia Bindel on the FiLia conference
ArabellaScott · 18/10/2021 21:28

Well, that Reddit thread is illuminating.

' privilaged b**es likely never have had a rape threat in their goddamn lives).'

Nice.

SpindelWhorl · 18/10/2021 21:35

Are they angry at their mums or something?

Wildfart · 18/10/2021 21:35

@ArabellaScott

Well, that Reddit thread is illuminating.

' privilaged b**es likely never have had a rape threat in their goddamn lives).'

Nice.

Well quite.

So much room for them still to fill up with rape threats.

Shocking that there's a woman alive that hadn't been threatened yet.

Gender identity really bringing all the abusers to the forefront of masculinity.

FemaleAndLearning · 18/10/2021 22:18

What a strange report from Steph's place. It felt to me like there was a lot of projection going on.

ScreamingMeMesaur · 18/10/2021 22:20

@ArabellaScott

Well, that Reddit thread is illuminating.

' privilaged b**es likely never have had a rape threat in their goddamn lives).'

Nice.

Hip replacements in middle age made me roll my eyes. Do they actually know ny women over the age of 40? As so often, there's a side of ageism with their misogyny
Cwenthryth · 18/10/2021 22:25

privilaged bes likely never have had a rape threat in their goddamn lives)
I’m sure most of us are thinking….I FUCKING WISH

D’you know what I am a pretty privileged woman, I know that, I’m white, middle class, educated, high earner, well travelled. Really a very lucky woman and I appreciate that. None of that has stopped me suffering multiple sexual assaults and abuse in my life though, physical violence including an assault from a stranger in public in daylight (he was convicted, there was CCTV and witnesses). Also including, by the way, a sexual assault by a man identifying as a woman in order to gain access to women alone in a state of undress (I didn’t have the courage to report. I knew it wouldn’t go anywhere with no witnesses, and I’d just be accused of transphobia for making the complaint).

I fucking wish I’d never even had a rape threat in my life. I don’t know a single woman who has never suffered abuse from a man in some form or other, most people you have this conversation with have experienced more than they remember.

These kids have no idea, because they are not female, and have no experience or understanding of what women go through, of what the vast majority of women go through and is considered entirely unremarkable and ordinary in our society.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 18/10/2021 22:31

These kids have no idea, because they are not female, and have no experience or understanding of what women go through, of what the vast majority of women go through and is considered entirely unremarkable and ordinary in our society.

They have no insight into our reality do they? None at all.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 18/10/2021 22:34

Gosh.

The pic to accompany the article - yeah, standard, should be shocking but is of course not even slightly surprising etc.

The full-length reflections from Steph... insightful, in many ways. Agree with the pp who said this fear of some sort of riot underlines the scale of the GC feminist bogeywoman, and why it would be so much better to have more real-life discussion and less twitter. It is decidedly unfortunate that a grassroots feminist organisation which is IMO incidentally GC more than fundamentally GC (in terms of the breadth of campaigning interests, compared to eg WPUK or Sex Matters) is apparently worth chucking out with the bathwater - between FiLiA and Kathleen Stock, it feels like it's been a rough week or two for the moderates. Which isn't to say that anyone deserves the treatment KS has been subject to, or that intimidation tactics at WPUK events are acceptable, but the targeting of moderates here is for me a really striking feature.

The real WTF award goes to the involvement of Amnesty International, though. I've fallen down a rabbit hole of the history of Amnesty as a result. I thought they were concerned with actual human rights abuses, the kind of thing you have to psych yourself up to stomach hearing about, not women listening peacefully to panels discussing VAWG.

CakeSale · 18/10/2021 22:38

Amnesty lost all credibility with women over their treatment of Gita Saghal a decade ago.

ArabellaScott · 18/10/2021 23:13

his fear of some sort of riot underlines the scale of the GC feminist bogeywoman

Surely the fear wasn't of gc feminists?