14th October 'Nolan Investigates' podcast - Stonewall?

[Helleofabore]

This sounds interesting.

A special ‘Nolan Investigates’ podcast drops tomorrow afternoon on @BBCSounds. An 18 month investigation into the influence of a lobby group on public bodies throughout the UK. More details in the morning

It seems to be about Stonewall.

Anyone know more about it?

There is some chatter about it on Twitter.

twitter.com/stephennolan/status/1448052827088109568?s=21

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1448205588253618176?s=21

(Tweet from JCJ says:

Okay, at last, here it is.

The BBC Ulster documentary on the influence of Stonewall on public life in the UK.

Many GC women have been interviewed for this.

Let's take the lid off this thing shall we?

Isn’t the blokey tone and the bits about his normal programme in there to suggest a back in the real world - this is what people get her up about ie give some perspective to what is a pretty arcane topic to most people

@WarriorN

Is I am Leo covered?

www.transgendertrend.com/uk-cbbc-childrens-tv-i-am-leo/

I note the date it was first aired and then the date that referrals to Tavi of teen girls exploded.

Also given that Dr Marci Bowers has admitted that social media / media may well have an impact.

abigailshrier.substack.com/p/why-marci-matters

Thanks for these links.

So much to watch/ listen to/ read at the moment.

@littlbrowndog

Also who made up the pronoun stuff ?

American university students who then got jobs at Twitter and Facebook.

The mayor said that trans people are those who don't match stereotypes and mentions masculinity and feminity. That's almost the gender-critical argument. The stereotypes are the problem; get rid of them instead of reifying them.

😂 another example of "everything is transphobic"

EPISODE 5 is soooooo important!!!

@Ghostsintheshelf

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/q7haca/the_bbc_is_going_after_stonewall/?sort=confidence

For anyone interested in how it's being received on the "feminism should centre men" site.

My word!

They are a little upset, aren't they?

another example of "everything is transphobic"

And has always been transphobic.

Not to everyone's taste in terms of style, maybe, but that is the podcast format.

(Although this is not (yet) a true podcast since you cannot download it from the BBC.) But see my (now fixed) Google Drive uploads:

drive.google.com/drive/folders/100DGRXY3IqMgyGrt-pS8_cxOcRcb2OkM?usp=sharing

It is self-indulgent maybe because they've been doing this off their own bat. The format was developed by amateurs who have something to say/love the sound of their own voices, and the pros have picked it up and run with it.

But people do go on about "The" BBC as if it were a group of people in a room ("Whose parents all worked for the BBC before them," N. Dorries.)

This is a cry of rage from the corporation's most isolated outpost, biting the hand that feeds it.

@Eucalyptustrees

Ben Cohen is a terrible communicator. In episode 6 he's asked a simple question and responds by meandering through a couple of anecdotes without seeming to answer the question. Hard to understand what he's saying. Same with Horcum. So many words, so little sense.

Ah, remember Ben being interviewed by Justin Webb back in June?

That pic is, of course, Simon Fanshawe, who was also interviewed.

@Jaysmith71

Not to everyone's taste in terms of style, maybe, but that is the podcast format.

(Although this is not (yet) a true podcast since you cannot download it from the BBC.) But see my (now fixed) Google Drive uploads:

drive.google.com/drive/folders/100DGRXY3IqMgyGrt-pS8_cxOcRcb2OkM?usp=sharing

It is self-indulgent maybe because they've been doing this off their own bat. The format was developed by amateurs who have something to say/love the sound of their own voices, and the pros have picked it up and run with it.

But people do go on about "The" BBC as if it were a group of people in a room ("Whose parents all worked for the BBC before them," N. Dorries.)

This is a cry of rage from the corporation's most isolated outpost, biting the hand that feeds it.

Yeah, whatever else there is to say about Nolan he's certainly not someone from the sort of background Dorries discusses here. They're hardly replete with journos from places like the Shankill.

@BaronMunchausen

I had to stop and draw breath after the Owen Hurcum episode. I got what they were doing, letting him talk absolute (non-binary) bollocks, but it was just too too much. The exposure of Ben Cohen was more concise.

I'm just hear for a breather having listened to Episode 4. I didn't catch his name so had no idea who he was, just some non-binary guy who (I hoped) was going to explain what NB is. I was cringing listening to the self-absorbed twaddle. He sees someone and is attracted to them, so he's non-binary. Fuck's sake, that's how it works for everyone. No-one does a conscious assessment or categorisation before "deciding" if they're attracted. Everything he said was describing himself as a bisexual man, but one that wanted to be more "special" than that. And nothing he said helped clarify what it meant to be "NB". It was a useful introduction to a community where navel-gazing and self-absorption is considered a useful way of spending your time, labelling and micro-labelling yourself ad nauseum while thinking the world gives a shit and that legislation should be drafted to protect these non-definable ever-changing word-games. I could go on but I won't. It was an education for sure.

here!not hear.

Did they not do sex education at school ten/fifteen years ago?

That’s the only reason I can think of that people are actually saying ‘I am attracted to - who I attracted to... so that makes me... special! When’s my parade?’

One of the things which really stands out is the clarity of argument and articulacy of David Bell versus the lack of argument and inability to define ideas of Benjamin Cohen and the mayor. The bit where Cohen was asked to define 'two spirit' was truly special.

@KittenKong

Did they not do sex education at school ten/fifteen years ago?

That’s the only reason I can think of that people are actually saying ‘I am attracted to - who I attracted to... so that makes me... special! When’s my parade?’

Enbies would love the Shankill then. Do a lovely Parade up there.

Oh yes - I remember the local orange lodge used to do a nice parade through our town...🙄

Oh my days. Listening to episode 4 and laughing out loud - I mean how did anyone else listen to Owen and vote for Owen?

‘David Bell versus the lack of argument’ sounds like a book...

Just about to start listening.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but what's fascinating to me is Stephen Nolan's Twitter feed... lots of polite 'very disappointed in you Stephen'.. no death threats, no cancellations, no abuse.

Now, why would that be?

I love that they are actually pushing back on the assertions made that normally go unchallenged. Cohen cited the Taylor v Jaguar Land Rover as “case law” and Nolan had already bothered to contact the EHRC who advised it didn’t set president as only a lower court and warned against relying on it as case law. Shame JLR didn’t appeal it!

Cohen trying to persuade Nolan that the Director General might have a meeting with Nolan and call Nolan she all the way through the meeting. This is apparently the justification for pronouns.

Cohen is sonuo his own backside he has no idea how stupid he is.

Cohen is so up his own backside!

Cohen is an employer too - who knew?