New guidelines for transgender participation unveiled by UK sports councils

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Reported by the Guardian....

www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/29/new-guidelines-for-transgender-participation-unveiled-by-uk-sports-councils

It's a promising publication and bravo to them for their commonsense, but will it be acted upon?

I think the fact it's a joint statement by this body from each country in the UK makes it really powerful. They have worked together, agreed the approach, and all 4 bodies have issued it jointly.

That's really strong. And gives backup and weight to eg the Scottish org who might have/ will have massive pushback I'd imagine given the govt stance there.

They have coordinated and that strengthens them all.

[quote timeisnotaline]@McDuffy were they very biased leading questions that completely failed to focus on inclusivity or the fact transwomen have been competing and playing forever? and just show its all hugely flawed? If you ask Beth someone on Twitter who isn’t happy about it they are….[/quote]
Literally the most neutral interviewer, I remember thinking halfway through that I genuinely didn't have a clue what she thought about the issue and how well they'd done to find her given that it's such a polarising issue at times.

It’s an excellent result as now sports bodies will have to justify their inclusive but unfair and unsafe policies to their female participants ( and in the case of girls, their parents) rather than the other way round. Which is new.

NecessaryScene Many thanks for the link to the video of Victoria Hood. I knew cycling was difficult for women, but I was truly appalled at the Cycling News story. (For those who haven't watched it, while not covering women's events at the time, Cycling News had a double-page spread on Rachel McKinnon.)

That excerpt from the report is refreshing in its honesty.

The Chief safeguarding officer for BKC, Charlotte Bishop, is a Plaid Cymru councillor and pledged to "Trans Equality and Inclusion".
On the BKC FB page people are not happy.

www.facebook.com/britishkickboxingcouncil

[quote andyoldlabour]The Chief safeguarding officer for BKC, Charlotte Bishop, is a Plaid Cymru councillor and pledged to "Trans Equality and Inclusion".
On the BKC FB page people are not happy.

www.facebook.com/britishkickboxingcouncil[/quote]
The post below that is about a survey on traumatic head injuries! You could not make it up.

I have dug a bit deeper. It seems that the safeguarding person was elected as a councillor in Caerphilly without anyone actually voting for them, is a business owner and teacher (obviously not a busy enough profession) and a governor at TWO schools
Are there enough hours in the day to actually do all that?

www.caerphillyplaid.wales/plaid_candidate_elected_without_opposition_to_caerphilly_county_borough_council

OperationDessertStorm

I know, it is shocking, when you compare the weight of as man's punch against a woman's punch.

Interesting that the Loughborough Study in the BKC page asks for "transgender women" I wonder if any reader could guess whether that means born male or born female - if it weren't for the picture above. And why only transwomen?

I'm sorry if I have missed it but is there a list or outline anywhere about who was consulted for this report and what research was presented etc? I can't seem to open the link to the report itself.

I couldn’t open the report on my phone but could do it on the laptop.
There’s nothing a detailed list as the respondents were guaranteed anonymity however they do list the countries represented, the sports etc

@WomaninBoots

I'm sorry if I have missed it but is there a list or outline anywhere about who was consulted for this report and what research was presented etc? I can't seem to open the link to the report itself.

No, as most of us requested anonymity. I work for an NGB but was clear that I wasn't speaking on their behalf (as my opinion is not the same as my employer's official position). I also spoke about the two sports I participate in; running and equestrian (latter is mixed sex of course!)

I couldn't open it but could download. It seems a very clear and unbiased report. It gives voice to both sides, and it is two irreconcilable viewpoints.

SCEG say that trans inclusion is not compatible with sport that is fair for women. That’s right. That’s what the research by Hilton and Lundburg, and by Ross Tucker. This is solid scientific evidence, listed in the literature review, fully evidenced. This is now accepted by the other side (like Joanna Harper who want to drop “fair” for “meaningful”).

But that means that SCEG are saying to NGBs: “You decide whether you want sports rules that are safe and fair for women, or rules that are unsafe and unfair to women, but trans-inclusive.” I’m glad that the position is presented clearly. Presenting things clearly is fundamental to philosophy.

Once the question is put like that, however, there is only one of the two candidate policies that makes sense. I don’t think NGBs can say to women players: “We’ve decided to regulate in a way that makes sport unfair and unsafe for you.” Aside from the legal and insurance issues, I think that is straightforwardly unethical. It uses women athletes as a means to an end, raising the risks of injury and unfairness to them, in a way that is impermissible.

thecritic.co.uk/a-step-change-in-sports-policy/

@McPancreas

As ever, reality is a TERF

I'd like this on a t-shirt.

In fact, couldn't there be a thread devoted to great lines for t-shirts?

In fact, couldn't there be a thread devoted to great lines for t-shirts?

Please make it so.

Thank you. I'll see if I can open the report on my computer. I am having a discussion with someone who is insisting that trans voices are not being listened to on this issue and would like to refute it with solid evidence.

I don’t see how kickboxing can maintain their inclusive position no matter how much they want to. If I was the parent of a kickboxing daughter I would now be demanding why inclusion trumps fairness and safety for my daughter. If my daughter had to fight a trans girl from another club I would now demand fairness and safety with the competition

Sorry, I should also be clear that I wasn't fishing for a list of specific people with nefarious purposes! I just realised how my post might have come across. I simply wanted a general idea (but an evidenced general idea) of who had been spoken to and how well both women's and trans perspectives had been represented.

Sorry if I was unclear/worrying.

@WomaninBoots

Sorry, I should also be clear that I wasn't fishing for a list of specific people with nefarious purposes! I just realised how my post might have come across. I simply wanted a general idea (but an evidenced general idea) of who had been spoken to and how well both women's and trans perspectives had been represented.

Sorry if I was unclear/worrying.

Not at all! the author goes into a fair bit of detail overall about contributors but kept at a high level. I am not one of the pro athletes!

@WomaninBoots

Thank you. I'll see if I can open the report on my computer. I am having a discussion with someone who is insisting that trans voices are not being listened to on this issue and would like to refute it with solid evidence.

Why is it not the responsibility of that person to provide evidence for their claim?

Because they've had a histrionic fit and bowed out so I'm doing it for the lurkers.

@WomaninBoots

Because they've had a histrionic fit and bowed out so I'm doing it for the lurkers.

Ah, I thought you meant a WApp or Teams with someone not here.