AIBU to actually be starting to like the term cis?

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Hopefully this is allowed. Not bashing anyone.

I hated the term cis however this morning it hit me that we may be better embracing it if we can't eradicate it.

We have TWAW etc. But in the next however many years, we may find it easier, for example you're on a dating site "cis woman seeking cis man" therefore you will (hopefully) link with genetically male partners. Rather than "seeking a man" and you may possibly end up with a trans man. Again, no judgement or bashing, however I only ever wanted to be with someone who was genetically male, it's just my preference and I should be able to state this in a simple way.

So you would be able to request a man (if happy with cis or trans man) or woman, a cis man/woman and the subsections of lesbian or gay.

Prepared to be told IABU and sure that someone will likely be able to point out why this is bad. I'm not wanting this to be a bashing thread. I'm just starting to think the term may become useful in the not-too-distant future.

Also prepared this may end up deleted.

Clearly not, as not all people who identify as transgender are male. The Stonewall umbrella is extremely large.

Anyway...diversions aside, back to 'Cis'.

@RainbowBriteUk Do you really believe there should never be a single-sex space? Nothing at all? Nowhere women can be away from males? Because once transwomen are in them, they are mixed-sex.

So fucking what?! If they identify as a woman then of course they're entitled to use single sex spaces. Would you rather them use male and get stared at and treated unkindly because that's what happens

Err back at ya - so fucking what? Male violence is not women’s problem to solve, go lecture violent men and tell them to be more inclusive.

I cannot ever remember hearing or reading the words 'cis man'. I wonder why that is?

It's not out of kindness, it's out of compassion

I might believe that if it wasn't that the compassion in your post is exclusively for male people.

It's not out of kindness, it's out of compassion and knowing that the trans person may have made a really difficult decision to become a woman and may have lost friends and family in that process. They're not doing it for the fun of it, are they?
If male spaces aren't safe they should campaign for a third space or to make male spaces safer.
My compassion is for women who are having single sex spaces removed.

No, I don’t want to call myself “cis”. It would be an overt acceptance that TWAW and we know where that leads.

[quote ShrillSiren]@RainbowBriteUk Do you really believe there should never be a single-sex space? Nothing at all? Nowhere women can be away from males? Because once transwomen are in them, they are mixed-sex.[/quote]
I disagree. Once there are trans women in the single sex space, they remain single sex because that person identifies as a woman.

YANBU

You can like whatever you like. It's up to you.

Men are not women no matter what they wear or how much they want to be.

I find it astonishing at how much some posters think it’s women job to act as emotional support humans for men

@scarpa

Happy to be called cis. It's becoming more widely used, I have no problem sharing the word woman, and it's a useful distinguisher in some circumstances.

If you're happy sharing the word woman why do you need another word?

@2bazookas

Real women are all cisters.

We should take possession of the Sis word and own it.

Worked for "gay" and "queer".

We do however have a useful word already.

Women.

Hey, we could just use that.

@RainbowBriteUk

Women trying so damn hard to campaign for feminism and women's rights that they ostracize those who identify as women. How lovely.

You mean men who identify with oppressive stereotypes of women? How lovely.

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I cannot ever remember hearing or reading the words 'cis man'. I wonder why that is?

Because men wouldn't buy it and they wouldn't accept transitioning women trying to tell them who they are.

“Once there are trans women in the single sex space, they remain single sex because that person identifies as a woman.“

Do you understand what “sex” means?

No I hate it.

It just means female woman. Only women are female so it's daft.

You are not assigned a sex at birth. It is observed. Like eye colour. So there is no cis, just women. Just men. Two sexes. If you want to live as a stereotype or your idea of the opposite sex, fine by me. But I shouldn't have to pretend I believe you. I should be able to respect you as a trans person.

I don't know why we cannot just call trans women transwomen and just be both polite yet truthful. They aren't women, but that's fine.

I hate pandering to lies.

Hahahaha you almost had me there Rainbow but you’re clearly on the wind up

Unless you believe that this person is female

@Theeyeballsinthesky

Men are not women no matter what they wear or how much they want to be.

I find it astonishing at how much some posters think it’s women job to act as emotional support humans for men

Or as an emotional support for a fellow woman because a trans woman is a woman not a man!!!

im not a fan of the term Ciswoman, but it doesnt bother me either in context of talking about transgenders. I wouldnt willingly describe myself as that though, and it isnt how I identify.

Nope, still find it offensive.

YABU.

Women are women

Transwomen are transwomen.

@HipTightOnions

“Once there are trans women in the single sex space, they remain single sex because that person identifies as a woman.“

Do you understand what “sex” means?

Ok, so what if they've had male to female surgery?

Once there are trans women in the single sex space, they remain single sex because that person identifies as a woman.

You're welcome to believe that people change sex when they wish, that there is one true God, that the second coming will happen and that magpies in pairs are bad luck, crack on.

I don't believe that. Many women don't have the luxury of those nice little beliefs. If you're forcing me to pick a side, then I pick women.

On the other hand, we could do the grown up thing and have third mixed sex spaces and meet everyones needs and tolerate and celebrate diversity instead of trying to enforce one partisan political position.

We don't need more labels nor do we need to explain ourselves to anyone. We go by our actual names for a reason! I am beautiful3, you do not need to know if I am a woman/man/trans/gay.

Why is it only women who have to be kind?
80-90% of transwomen keep their penis and given those with a penis are responsible for almost all attacks on women why would we give these transwomen the benefit of the doubt and welcome them into our most intimate spaces? Better that others with penises are kind to them in those spaces allocated to them.
And just for the record I am not Cis anything. I am a woman. Just that and no more.

Still a man because it is impossible for humans to change sex

That pelvis on the left is not going to change to the one on the right no matter how much surgery anyone has