AIBU to actually be starting to like the term cis?

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Hopefully this is allowed. Not bashing anyone.

I hated the term cis however this morning it hit me that we may be better embracing it if we can't eradicate it.

We have TWAW etc. But in the next however many years, we may find it easier, for example you're on a dating site "cis woman seeking cis man" therefore you will (hopefully) link with genetically male partners. Rather than "seeking a man" and you may possibly end up with a trans man. Again, no judgement or bashing, however I only ever wanted to be with someone who was genetically male, it's just my preference and I should be able to state this in a simple way.

So you would be able to request a man (if happy with cis or trans man) or woman, a cis man/woman and the subsections of lesbian or gay.

Prepared to be told IABU and sure that someone will likely be able to point out why this is bad. I'm not wanting this to be a bashing thread. I'm just starting to think the term may become useful in the not-too-distant future.

Also prepared this may end up deleted.

I find it a useful shorthand for someone who identifies with the sex they were born as.
Isn't shorthand supposed to make words shorter?

The vast majority of people identify as the sex they were born so why are they the ones who need an added descriptor? They don't.

Cis? #nothankyou

Jesus as soon as we all decide to use the word cis you can guarantee that the trans women would get there knickers in a twist about that too and demand the use of it.

@Sunflowers095

I also notice you didn't answer how it feels to be a woman. How do I know I'm a woman, other than biologically? I don't feel like a woman, I feel like me, so what next?

@VitalsStable

Jesus as soon as we all decide to use the word cis you can guarantee that the trans women would get there knickers in a twist about that too and demand the use of it.

Apparently this has already started 😩 in which case I retract everything. I thought it was an impossible phrase to steal (forgetting it was about gender identity, I actually already raged to my husband about 8 months ago about cis when I first learned this! A baby and a lot of sleepless nights later, I completely forgot this was why I initially disagreed with it)

I repeat I retract everything

If someone wouldn't mind pointing me in the direction of the "3 words" mentioned, though?

Woman works for me, as does women. My dainty little fingers dance over the keyboard perfectly.

The words cis-women and cis-woman are ugly, clunky , unnecessary , devoid of meaning and difficult to type.

I have to say reading that we should move beyond facts has been the hottest take of the day

[quote OurMamInHavianas]scarpa
It only applies to men.
And how do you know?

Not every man is as open about it as Grayson Perry
nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-absolutist-dogma-is-chilling-transgender-research[/quote]
Dunno, I think watching the trans women I've known go through years of waiting to see a doctor, hostility from their families and workplaces, multiple surgeries with uncertain outcomes, depression and agoraphobia as a result of public abuse, just to be able to feel comfortable in themselves probably weren't doing it because they're pervs who want a more exciting wank. Because who would? It's not quite the same as 'throw on a dress and bob's your aunty', 100% of trans people that I know have made concerted, difficult effort to fully transition.

But like I said, maybe I've known a wildly non-representative group of trans people! Who can say!

[quote herecomesthsun]@Grasshopper90 well now you know that quite a few women find it offensive

just as transpeople don't like being described in a way they find uncomfortable[/quote]
Well that’s just as silly and nonsense (and rude) as thinking the word “female” is offensive. Cis is just a descriptor for someone who is not trans.

Except that the vast majority of TW don’t have any surgery at all so yes it would seem you do know an unrepresentative group. That’s completely possible - from what I’ve read, those TW who have undergone many long painful processes are aghast at the Danielle muscatos and Alex Drummond’s of this world and quite possibly wouldn’t want to hang out with them

what is cis?

Well that’s just as silly and nonsense (and rude) as thinking the word “female” is offensive. Cis is just a descriptor for someone who is not trans.

laugh

@Bizawit

well that is just bizarre.

There is nothing rude in requesting to be described a particular way.

I identify as a woman; that is not rude.

Someone calling a feminist a TERF; that IS rude.

(unless they like the term)

hope that helps

no idea what happened there

@RottenRowGal

no idea what happened there

That really made me laugh tinkly

YABU. Loathsome term.

I'm a WOMAN. End of.

YABU. You're trying to find a compromise, OP, which is usually a good thing. But not when those you want to compromise with have made it very clear they want what you've got and they will never stop pushing for it. In other words, they won't compromise. And if you compromise, you're just giving in.

I just feel we may get to a point where if you're introduced to a woman or man, how do you know if they're trans, unless they tell you

Really?

radar

[quote 00100001]@RainbowBriteUk

You are conflating sex with gender.

And transwomen are transwomen.

They can call themselves women, they can call themselves unicorns. They're still male. No amount of wishing, choosing of pronouns and invasion of female spaces will change that.[/quote]
They can call themselves women, yes, and people should respect that they wish to be known as a woman.

@Hulahula86 cis is a Latin prefix meaning 'on this side of'. It has been bizarrely misappropriated to become the antonym for transgender (since 2015). It's utter nonsense and is being imposed on women who are called transphobic if they reject it.

Yabu

We should not be embracing something just because it is being forced on us.

I am a woman
I am a mother

I am not cis. I am a woman. When I was born it was identified by medical professionals that I was female. I have since grown and I am a woman.

I do not need cis in front of my womanhood.

However, I will offer my upmost respect to any trans woman and support their protection and access to services. In return I would hope for the same respect for the services that women wish to access such as female only medical services, changing rooms, charities, etc.

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

Do you realise that transwomen go through so much heartache because they were born as someone they didn't want to be?

Tough. They're not women and never will be, no matter how much surgery or hormones they have.

Transwomen haven’t had to go through all the shit that actual women have go through/put up with, so at least that’s some comfort for them.