Starmer on Marr now

[Jaysmith71]

We must have a tolerent debate.... Trans community are the most marginalised community of all

....and 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

So, LD's out. Labour out. Greens in England and Wales depends on whether new head wants to screw over women or not. WEP is beyond satire.

Who is left? Can it really be the Tories? The Tories who are overseeing the placement of males in women's prisons. Who oversee a system where women get locked in prison with males who are therefore given a free opportunity to sexually assault and intimidate them. Who oversee this dystopia for women and girls.

Is it a case where women can be more active at MP level in their constituency? And at Council level.

Mr. Buckethead looking a lot less batsh1t now.

Calvin Robinson's summary nails it:

"Marr: "Is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix?"

Starmer: "It is something that shouldn't be said, it is not right.

"I am very concerned that this debate needs to be conducted in a proper way, in which ???????????? ?????????? are expressed."

What's a proper view?!"

twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1442056876380893189

Proper view!!!

To me, KS is another male who finds it very easy to disrespect women and girls. We obviously look a lot less important to him than other males. At least he has shown everyone that. No pretending. He never looked less than useless on other issues either.

"It shouldn't be said"???

Oh, no no no Keir. I'm done. It's time to write to my MP and say exactly why she won't be getting my vote again if this situation doesn't improve. This is anti-science, fact free nonsense and no potential PM should be speaking this way - erasing women with no thought at all and then having the nerve to talk about 'respectful debate'.

Why is this debate only ever flowing the one way? Why is 'we can't say only men have a penis' not dominating and poisoning every political debate? If it was, it would be easier to believe that what's going on has anything at all to do with the trans experience. And as pp said, it's hard to believe trans women could really be convinced of any of this either, or the good it does their cause.

I'm in the only constituency that went from Tory to Labour in the last general election: I gave Labour the benefit of the doubt then, but there's no way I can vote for them again when they're coming out with nonsense like this.

@Newnewnew1179

I just despair at this. I just do not understand how we are now at a point where the Leader of the Opposition says it’s not right to say only women have a cervix. I find the mangling of language utterly bizarre and the hypocrisy that means this is all so one way (anyone seen a prostate cancer awareness ad recently?).

He's wrong anyway, isn't he? You CAN say it, it's a protected belief (Forstater appeal 2021).

After saying 'only women have a cervix' is unacceptable the next question was about Angela Raynor repeatedly calling the current government:

"scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute pile of banana republic, etonian, piece of scum"

Apparently that was fine but 'women have a cervix' is over the line.

We need more MPs to do this

twitter.com/Bren4Bassetlaw/status/1442078015484268548

Any thread where people are bemoaning why people still keep voting Tory, should be directed here.

Brexit, the economy, the NHS all pale in comparison to our ability to define ourselves as women, based on biological sex. It’s fundamental to everything else I expect a government to deliver.

Yes. I know. I live there. And 2019 was before her original tweet ‘crime’. She won’t win again in Canterbury if they need the youth vote from the campus to achieve it (they do).

How far is he going to go to win again in Canterbury?

If it's not just women who have a cervix, can a woman have a penis? Is he going to tell girls to just not look or complain when a woman with a penis exposes themselves to them in public changing rooms? Where's his line?

He knows the debate and where it's heading. Canterbury must mean the world to him. It's certainly more important than the safety of women and girls.

@SpindleWorld

She won’t win again in Canterbury if they need the youth vote from the campus to achieve it (they do).

Who will the students vote for though, @Judashascomeintosomemoney? Or will Rosie Duffield be deselected by then and they'll get a shiny new non-heretical, biologically illiterate Labour candidate?

I imagine they’ll go back to doing what they did pre 2017 - ie lots not bothering to vote. It wasn’t Rosie Duffield that exercised them in 2017, it was Jeremy Corbyn - and a, er, robust effort to mobilise them shall we say. 1,800 odd majority isn’t much of a gap to close in this traditional Tory voting area once the university students aren’t bothering. Or, potentially, if this is still ongoing coming anywhere near to the next election, maybe she will have the whip removed 🤷‍♀️

Well, he's nailed his colours to the mast, hasn't he? That's thousands of women who held their nose and voted Labour at the last election, plus many many more who weren't even aware of this issue back then, told clearly by a man that they are a thing that can't be defined or named.

I knew it would come to this. I don't trust Labour one bit when it comes to women's rights.

When they say they will enforce the EA and maintain single sex spaces, what the mean is single sex spaces will be there in name only, any men can self ID into them

And now keir wants to control our language and the way we speak about our experiences. He can fuck off.

@donquixotedelamancha

After saying 'only women have a cervix' is unacceptable the next question was about Angela Raynor repeatedly calling the current government:

"scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute pile of banana republic, etonian, piece of scum"

Apparently that was fine but 'women have a cervix' is over the line.

Jesus Christ. It's hardly "something of the night about him" levels of witty riposte, is it? Labour's big names these days all seem more unpleasant by the day. (That's not to say she's wrong per se, I'm no Tory but surely you've got to play the game a bit more smartly than that.)

He knows the debate and where it's heading. Canterbury must mean the world to him. It's certainly more important than the safety of women and girls
Well maybe not Canterbury specifically, though he wouldn’t want to lose another seat, but certainly the ‘youth vote’ is seemingly more important to him than the ‘pissed off woman vote’. I guess his problem is, like the Labour party itself, it’s supporters are from two very distinct and different groups.

Sophocles

Many women do not have cervices. I am one of them. It’s invariably a horrible, painful story behind each and every one of those missing cervices.

Where is all the handwringing about us? Where is all of the accommodation? Where are all the rewrites of reality to make us feel better?

Only women have cervices. If among those number are people who do not care to be reminded of that, or a number of people who wish they were included, but are not, then that is on them to deal with, the same way that I have to deal with being repeatedly invited for smear tests on my non existent cervix. Reality will not change to accommodate them, and it is unreasonable to ask.

This. ^ Absolutely every word of this.

This 'inclusive' bull and rush to be sensitive only ever gets pulled out when it actively works against women to benefit males. This agenda is as sexist as fuck, it is bald male supremacism.

@Jaysmith71 your OP has been screenshot and posted on Standing For Women’s FB page. Just letting you know

There are more women in Canterbury than students, Starmer you absolute body with a penis.

@NorthernNic

That's the final straw. Despite my reservations I voted Labour at the last GE but not now. For future elections what are writing on soiled ballots? Only Women Have A Cervix??

Thats taking a dirty protest to a whole new level! Good dedication though. 🤣

That's not to say she's wrong per se, I'm no Tory but surely you've got to play the game a bit more smartly than that.

I think this government are awful but by Angela Rayner's age and position you really should understand that the world is not divided into baddies and goodies.

The fact that she seems not to and Starmer's awful performance in that interview just make me despair.

As a PP said- the opposition have left the field.

Oh Labour Party. When did you become so detached from reality? A debate where only preferred views are allowed? Telling us words we are not allowed to use to describe our experiences? Enough of this gaslighting abusive behaviour. Enough of these luxury beliefs. Women matter and we are allowed to talk about women’s rights using any damn language we like.

As dear Miranda Yardley once said: fuck. This. Shit.

I'm mailing my Tory MP tomorrow to tell him if he wants my vote, all he has to do is say women have cervices.

This is certainly not going down well with the bodies-with-vaginas.

I’d really really like to know his answer to

1. Are the trans community the most marginalised of all - where’s your evidence for that? and
2. Why is only women have a cervix something that shouldn’t be said?

Suspect the answers are

1. “No evidence but some people told me they were”
2. “Because the word woman doesn’t actually mean woman, it means anyone who wants to describe themselves thus and it’s important not to draw attention to the lack of a cervix because biological sex doesn’t matter (except it does when women are being murdered at a rate of 3 a week, rape conviction rates are appalling, women are not equally represented in Parliament, birthing children causes issues that specifically impact on women’s health and earning power etc etc)

To be fair, he did say "among the most marginalised...."

The Most Most Marginalised would be groups such as flat-earthers, exclusive bretheren and pavement-fuckers.

Trans are not necessarily as marginalised as these, but they are "among" them.