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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

My 14 year old son got into trouble at school yesterday ...

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PippaOwl · 25/09/2021 14:32

I don't profess to be an expert in all things gender and sex related but I've brought my eldest (now adult) daughter to know her boundaries and I've brought my 14 year old son up to (age appropriately so far!) know how we treat girls, how we behave on social media and all the other stuff surrounding that

A HUGE part of his school experience at the moment is being surrounded by girls and boys who are confused regarding their sexuality and their gender. I've always been very very clear with him on my views - if you have a penis you are a male and if you have a vagina you are female and that's that. I've also explained to him that some people feel trapped in the wrong body and therefore it's their absolute right to express themselves how they want and they deserve respect

Yesterday at school he was in a lesson and got involved in a discussion with a girl. He said to her that girls couldn't be boys and vice versa. She disagreed so a verbal argument ensued. (Not shouting or anything!) She told him to shut up and that he was talking rubbish so he told her to shut up too.

Next thing, he's being taken out of class by the student manager. Who's told him off and issued a 'penalty mark' against him for his views. He argued this and said he was right. She said ... and I quote ... ' the facts are that gender and your sex begin in the brain so you need to be aware of the facts of this before talking rubbish about how your genitals define your sex'

It's all been left now and he has this penalty mark against him (no big deal, but still.. he's a good pupil and he's not had this before!) but am I actually going mad? We have a student manager here who is saying having a penis doesn't make you a man - what your brain tells you does..

I'm unsure how to deal with my son too! Ive told him he must not be rude to anyone and I don't expect him to be telling people to shut up, so he's been told clearly about that. Ive also told him his view is entirely right.

Your thoughts?

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MarshmallowSwede · 27/09/2021 16:36

Very tolaitsrian.. wrong think and punishing a child for speaking what is a biological truth.

Interesting

dapsnotplimsolls · 27/09/2021 16:39

Several PPs have mentioned the Maya Forstater case. You might find this useful:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57426579

BlueberryCheezecake · 27/09/2021 16:50

[quote dapsnotplimsolls]Several PPs have mentioned the Maya Forstater case. You might find this useful:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57426579[/quote]
OP would look very silly trying to use an employment tribunal to try and get her son out of being told off at school.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/09/2021 16:52

But not so stupid if she phrased it that the law recognises that there are many conflicting beliefs all of which are perfectly legal to hold. No one trumps the other.

You know, like a regularly intelligent woman would!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/09/2021 16:53

And, as you seem not to have inwardly digested the OPs own words, she isn't trying to "get her son out of being told off at school".

Don't be so facile!

DdraigGoch · 27/09/2021 16:59

@CuriousaboutSamphire

And, as you seem not to have inwardly digested the OPs own words, she isn't trying to "get her son out of being told off at school".

Don't be so facile!

It's not worth feeding those who lurk under bridges.
CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/09/2021 17:01

But I like feeding faciles to cheesecakes!

SaltySheepdog · 27/09/2021 19:50

How does your son feel about it now OP.

If the manager identifies your sons opinions as an issue. State Biological Sex is lawfully recognised, along with those undertaking gender reassignment (different to gender identity which is not a protected characteristic).

PippaOwl · 27/09/2021 22:38

@SaltySheepdog oh he is absolutely fine!
I'd say his reaction to it all was a bit bemused followed by rather nonplussed

He said he just nodded when she was telling him off (after his initial disagreement with her that set her off) and said 'yep' a few times and then shuffled off. He's not one to argue back really, more like him to look at the floor and murmur a bit

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SaltySheepdog · 28/09/2021 13:00

He sounds nice chap! And resilient

RandomMess · 28/09/2021 16:52

I am getting irritated waiting for the school to get back to you!

PippaOwl · 28/09/2021 17:01

@RandomMess It's bloody irritating! So that's two full days now

I think I'll follow up on Thursday morning - that seems to strike the right balance of not harassing her yet giving her plenty of time to have replied to me in the first place

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Mummyoflittledragon · 28/09/2021 19:51

I would think replies should be expected within 48 hours. You could try calling? Maybe she doesn’t work every day.

Mydogmylife · 30/09/2021 16:13

@PippaOwl
Any response yet?

PippaOwl · 30/09/2021 17:18

@Mydogmylife not a thing! So I will be sending a follow up this evening, politely chasing it up.

It's been 4 days so I don't think it's unreasonable of me to expect to have heard by now

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StillWeRise · 30/09/2021 18:43

will be interesting to see the reply
maybe this student manager is on a forum right now, asking 'got a really tricky email from a parent, what should I reply???'

SaltySheepdog · 30/09/2021 20:15

Can you forward your email to his form tutor and explain you’ve not received a reply yet

PaterPower · 05/10/2021 10:49

Did you ever get a response, OP?

Amiwronghere · 05/10/2021 11:52

Unsurprised
She hasn’t responded Angry

BlameItOnTheBlackStar · 05/10/2021 12:06

Just read this whole thread and now I really want to know what the school's response is.

I'd like to think that they're taking their time because they've realised they've punished someone for essentially reciting stuff that's taught in their biology classes. But probably not.

prudencepuffin · 05/10/2021 12:17

Oh darling there are so many things I'd like to say in reply to this but there's just no point. Do me a favour and keep this post, give it 20 years and when you read it back to yourself when you've grown up you'll feel like a real twat for ever writing this 😔 it's always been men Vs women, things never move on, womens rights always have and always will be under threat

This was my response to Froglette too. I`m a bit worried about them out and about in the real world.

OP - I would like to know how the school responded too.

RandomMess · 13/10/2021 19:53

Surely there has been a response by now?

MrGHardy · 13/10/2021 19:56

You gotta push this.

This is indoctrination.

winterchills · 13/10/2021 20:06

I've also just read the thread and want to know the teachers reply!

black2black · 13/10/2021 20:18

Gosh I’m a bit concerned about them teaching this nonsense to my sons. They are boys because they have penises. I don’t want school confusing him. Do we parents have a say in them teaching this to them?

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