Woman's hour now...!

[WarriorN]

Eerr what now?

They want our views! Go vipers go!!!!

@TinselAngel

If somebody were to transcribe this, they would be going me a big favour.

Because I think I heard Jardine say in virtually the same breath, that a woman who was being coercively controlled with threats of suicide was put up on a podium in order to influence Lib Dem policy and that she is concerned about domestic abuse.

Is anyone aware of a transcript? This is an important interview that needs to be recorded.

I'm not so sure a someone new to the issues will have picked up Christine's ineptitude and holes in her arguments tbh.

BUT it's a huge step forward, I messaged WH to say so.

Daisy Cooper: "I have no problem with the word 'woman.' I am a woman. Lots of people describe themselves as women. No one's trying to get rid of the word woman. But there are situations, particularly medical situations, where in medical settings, people do want to have a different descriptor...."

....stirring up hatred, suicide, etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000zyl4/politics-live-20092021

(from 25:50)

[quote DevonTF]The LibDems have a full guide of how to deal with women AKA transphobes. It is a great read !

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/debunking-transphobic-talking-points-longer-version#:~:text=debunking[/quote]
Anyone up for compiling a counter talking point list??

[quote DevonTF]The LibDems have a full guide of how to deal with women AKA transphobes. It is a great read !

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/debunking-transphobic-talking-points-longer-version#:~:text=debunking[/quote]
That is terrible.

Missed your post TinselAngel, but yes, you heard right.

Anyone up for compiling a counter talking point list??

A decent one already exists, afaict.

gcritical.org/introduction/

[quote EmbarrassingAdmissions]Anyone up for compiling a counter talking point list??

A decent one already exists, afaict.

gcritical.org/introduction/[/quote]
Saved! Thank you

[quote DevonTF]The LibDems have a full guide of how to deal with women AKA transphobes. It is a great read !

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/debunking-transphobic-talking-points-longer-version#:~:text=debunking[/quote]
My blood pressure reading that was... wow. Outright victim blaming in the JKR section.

@Mrsorganmorgan

The Lib Dems say this because they get huge donations from a drug company that sell puberty blockers. (from a very reliable source).

I'm pretty sure money and funding is behind a lot of these people claiming that TWAW.

It's why they're keeping quiet and trying to avoid questions whenever they can. They don't believe it, but can't say so.

The LibDems don't even understand the Discrimination Act - - below is from their manifesto. It is SEX not gender. Bloody idiots

Our Plan for Freedom, Rights and Equality
People should be able to live their lives free from discrimination or intrusion and without fear of having their most fundamental rights violated. But this is not the reality in the UK today. The hostile environment has unacceptably trampled on people’s rights and people are still discriminated against on the basis of their gender, race, age, sexuality, gender identity, religion or whether they are disabled. Inequalities are rife – children from Black households are more likely to be in persistent poverty and both hate crimes and violence against women and girls are far too prevalent.

Guess what's trending at number 1? The TWAW mantra, off, I'm assuming, the back of a tweet asking to pledge the allegiance.

And lo, a mass of women cis-sing themselves in response to fawn over males. Gushing about how beautiful and amazing TW are. More feminine than women. More brave and strong. More woman than women because they put in the work. How TW have periods. And how indebted they are to TW showing them the way.

And it's just so fucking telling. Hardly anything about transmen. They aren't bigged up as more manly than men, inspiring to men etc etc. There aren't swathes of men falling at their feet etc. It is that double standard @FFSFFSFFS

It's all about validating males, always has been. And when we are now seeing this finally getting airtime and more sunlight every day to see a load of women happily hand over the rights their foremothers fought so hard for, for a pat on the head makes me want to scream what the fuck are you fucking doing?! 🤦‍♀️

Obviously they can think what they like but just how so bloody infuriating that they're focusing on the male sexed people only and yet the penny won't drop...

The LibDems don't even understand the Discrimination Act - - below is from their manifesto. It is SEX not gender. Bloody idiots

Well as we all know: Comprehension is not requisite for cooperation

Although if the LibDems are lighting the way to authoritarianism I prefer, Coherence is not requisite for compelled speech or that much loved Coherence and evidence are not requisite for public policy making

getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1115d28f-edc6-41fa-9fbb-58d623419f8e

*It sounds well worth watching and of course will exemplify the lengths that some men will go to to seek out girls in order to abuse them.

While absolutely in favour of single sex spaces, rights, protections and opportunities until such a time as female-bodied people have the same level of social, political and economic power as male, I am not convinced by the idea that men will adopt jobs or positions solely in order to seek out girls/women/children to abuse them. Sadly, I think it's more likely that these are crimes of opportunity and many more males (no, not all males) would abuse given the opportunity.

I base that on the background level of low level sexualised "banter" and harassment I've had from male people over my whole life, and the ongoing cultural apologies / circumstantial excuses that come out whenever a woman or child more worldly than a nun is abused*

You’re saying that these predatory men are just opportunists and don’t plan their lives around their abuses ? Sorry but this is nonsense. Think Jimmy Saville, Harvey Weinstein - I could go on and on. And of womens’ equality with men socially, economically It sounds well worth watching and of course will exemplify the lengths that some men will go to to seek out girls in order to abuse them.

While absolutely in favour of single sex spaces, rights, protections and opportunities until such a time as female-bodied people have the same level of social, political and economic power as male, I am not convinced by the idea that men will adopt jobs or positions solely in order to seek out girls/women/children to abuse them. Sadly, I think it's more likely that these are crimes of opportunity and many more males (no, not all males) would abuse given the opportunity.

I base that on the background level of low level sexualised "banter" and harassment I've had from male people over my whole life, and the ongoing cultural apologies / circumstantial excuses that come out whenever a woman or child more worldly than a nun is abused.

Sorry but this is nonsense. Are you really saying that predatory men are just opportunists ? Think Jimmy Saville, or Harvey Weinstein - they planned their lives around access to their victims. And womens’ equality to men socially, politically or economically has nothing whatever to do with the invasion of womens’ safe spaces.

@MummBraTheEverLeaking

Guess what's trending at number 1? The TWAW mantra, off, I'm assuming, the back of a tweet asking to pledge the allegiance.

And lo, a mass of women cis-sing themselves in response to fawn over males. Gushing about how beautiful and amazing TW are. More feminine than women. More brave and strong. More woman than women because they put in the work. How TW have periods. And how indebted they are to TW showing them the way.

And it's just so fucking telling. Hardly anything about transmen. They aren't bigged up as more manly than men, inspiring to men etc etc. There aren't swathes of men falling at their feet etc. It is that double standard @FFSFFSFFS

It's all about validating males, always has been. And when we are now seeing this finally getting airtime and more sunlight every day to see a load of women happily hand over the rights their foremothers fought so hard for, for a pat on the head makes me want to scream what the fuck are you fucking doing?! 🤦‍♀️

Obviously they can think what they like but just how so bloody infuriating that they're focusing on the male sexed people only and yet the penny won't drop...

It's only 3.5K tweets - Insulate Britain has more.

I think what shows is more what Twitter likes to show.

I wish Spitting Image was still on the tv.

It is. Season 2 of the new incarnation started last week on Britbox.

@NecessaryScene

At the moment, they're just sitting back and enjoying the chaos.

Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself.

Sharar Ali is wading in even if Starmer won't.

twitter.com/ShahrarAli/status/1439848278305161217

I am not convinced by the idea that men will adopt jobs or positions solely in order to seek out girls/women/children to abuse them.
Some predatory men absolutely do this, it's not in question. They admit to it. If you are a paedophile and want to commit sexual offences against children, you are going to try to get a job that makes access easier. You're going to want a girlfriend who is a single parent. You will want to volunteer at various events for children. Baloo Challenor is a good example. We know this happens.
That said, many men are opportunists. I read somewhere the number one predictor of girls being raped in the home was overcrowding and the subsequent lack of privacy. So I'm sure that a larger percentage of men than we want to believe, are potential paedophiles, but it's also true that paedophiles deliberately access children through their work and their social life.

Abusers in general like to structure their lives to make their abuse easier, such as isolating their victims, etc. Again it seems obvious that they will make life choices to help them abuse.

To suggest otherwise means buying into the notion of "good men who succumbed to temptation". Good men don't rape or abuse women or children, regardless of the availability of potential victims.

Also it feeds the argument that "no man would pretend to be trans to be a predator" when clearly several would.

Sharar Ali is wading in even if Starmer won't.

Shahrar Ali is genuinely impressive.

@Tanith Money and funding by whom? I wish more people could understand that not being overtly feminine, doesn’t mean that you now have to identify as a man. I do feel for Gen Z, must be a confusing time to be growing up.

Clearly many predatory men would pretend to be trans to gain access to vulnerable women or children.

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-psychiatrist/article/gender-reassignment-5-years-of-referrals-in-oxfordshire/6B5F217162ABD9B3189F2EB82787034E

"...seeking gender reassignment to facilitate or normalise paedophilia. This latter small group described gender reassignment as a means by which to increase their intimate contact with children, which they viewed to be more socially acceptable in a female role."

And I can't find the link easily but it's been on other threads, of the prison psychologist (?) on record talking about his experience of sex offenders claiming trans identity to try and access female prison.

This isn't about trans people, this is about predatory men (sex class), whatever their gender identity.

The current process is stopping some of these men from abusing the system. Self-ID would not.

News alert just hit my phone: Rosie Duffield calls for talks with Kier Starmer over 'trans rights row'.

No. It's nothing to do with trans people's rights.

It's only about whether we have them instead of and via removing women's rights. That's the issue. Women. Notice them? Half the population? Half the voters?

The whole 'there is no clash of rights' is long over. If women talking about rights is 'transphobic' then obviously those rights existing are a threat to the desired progress of the trans political lobby.

Sorry but this is nonsense. Are you really saying that predatory men are just opportunists ? Think Jimmy Saville, or Harvey Weinstein - they planned their lives around access to their victims. And womens’ equality to men socially, politically or economically has nothing whatever to do with the invasion of womens’ safe spaces.

Jimmy Saville, or Harvey Weinstein - they planned their lives around access to their victims So their cunning plan to gain access was to succeed in incredibly competitive arenas where most people fail? No. They were successful, and they were abusers. Their success increased their opportunities to abuse and the likelihood that people would facilitate it and once they had it they exploited it to abuse.

And womens’ equality to men socially, politically or economically has nothing whatever to do with the invasion of womens’ safe spaces.

Do you not think the power imbalance between Weinstein and his victims is a huge factor in his ability to abuse them? In his feeling entitled to abuse them? We need safe spaces exactly because males do not see us as equals but as props they are entitled to use with annoying voices that say nothing worth hearing so can be ignored when we complain or report.

To suggest otherwise means buying into the notion of "good men who succumbed to temptation".

It’s exactly the opposite. It’s saying there are far fewer good men than we think, because many are bad men that just haven’t had an opportunity they felt was safe enough to exploit.

there are far fewer good men than we think, because many are bad men that just haven’t had an opportunity they felt was safe enough to exploit
I can agree with this, and still believe some predators make life plans to make their abuse easier. These men will stop at nothing.

The whole 'there is no clash of rights' is long over. If women talking about rights is 'transphobic' then obviously those rights existing are a threat to the desired progress of the trans political lobby.
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