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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The GC what now? Are we the cult?

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Anotheruser02 · 16/09/2021 16:09

Twice in the last week or so I've read TRA posts on twitter saying GC fems are a cult. Despite the fact the movement begs for debate and sunlight. No secrecy or pushing for kids to hold secrets from their families.

Is this the latest in "I know you are but what am I" or has this been a claim all along and I haven't noticed?

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TheHouseIsOnFire · 16/09/2021 22:45

@Lessthanaballpark

I think it’s a commonly held opinion because a RL friend said that “Glinner got the women at mumsnet all riled up”.

What did Glinner do to us exactly? Was there an incident?

Pretty sure we all just saw some tweets and said “oh that guy gets it” and then saw the backlash he got for it and decided that anyone who puts their head above the parapet to stick up for women’s rights must be an ok sort. He’s not exactly David Koresh in this scenario is he?! Just a plain speaking fella who won’t be silenced by the cunts / cult / activists on the other side of the #no debate
PermanentTemporary · 16/09/2021 22:48

I'll admit that seeing someone who's a big name like Glinner not just going along with all thos helped me feeling I wasn't going mad to think none of this made sense.

TheHouseIsOnFire · 16/09/2021 22:49

And knowing that the stress of all this has cost him work, peace of mind and his marriage, we GC feminists have a lot of respect for the sacrifices he’s made in the name of women’s rights and free speech etc. Seeing the lengths some of those loons will go to to punish dissenters, he’s put himself in a vulnerable position but he won’t back down while the house is still on fire!

Congressdingo · 16/09/2021 22:50

@AlfonsoTheMango

I'm hurt that no one asked me to join their cult. I never get invited to anything.
Between this and the cheques we're meant to get from ummm the right or the Westboro Baptist church or more generally a religion I'm feeling left out. Skint and just not invited out. Sigh.
Barheim · 17/09/2021 05:22

The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment.
Closest you've got is Posie Parker, who's racism and constant platforming on white supremacy channels seems to be completely forgotten, though the unquestioning support of Marion Miller (on trial for accusations of amongst others, homophobic remarks towards a police officer, which are never even mentioned, because she also Rallies For Your Cause), late Magdalen Berns (for verbally abusing trans women), Maya Forstater and all the other folks are of note.

The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
The very premise of interest in 'peaking' people, or people having 'peaked'.

The group is preoccupied with making money.
Bi-weekly Crowdfunders, latest probably being James Esses, fired from a child helpline for pushing unlicensed therapy on children with the effort to steer them away from being trans (conversion therapy) and being booted from his therapy school for wanting to use the profession for conversion therapy (as well as his severe breach of safeguarding guidelines in his previously mentioned volunteer job), or the Miller crowdfunder that was booted for violating the websites' terms and conditions which resulted in her claiming to want to sell her house, which steers to The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities), as her complaint before was that she shouldn't be arrested because being away for a night or two would distress her autistic sons, while permanently selling her house to win a relatively minor case, completely removing them from their normalcy, is fine suddenly.

Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
Cathy Brennan versus WoLF comes to mind - the former being ridiculed and excommunicated because she didn't tolerate WoLF allying with the Heritage Foundation regardless of it's misogynistic and homophobic entire existence.

Mind-numbing techniques (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, debilitating work routines) are used to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
Being so obsessed in "ribboning", because someone in trial for an accusation of homophobic/transphobic hate crimes decided to stalk someone to take pictures in their home environment, that you completely forget that the act is a) illegal and b) reflecting incredibly poorly on any company still willing to advertise here comes to mind.

As does plastering 'woman = adult human female' everywhere, followed by the predictable outcry of 'silencing' when it gets removed, even though you can't fling a rock in a pile of newspapers without it hitting one with an article from some poor unheard silenced deplatformed gender critical voice.

The leadership dictates sometimes in great detail how members should think, act, and feel (for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth).
You literally ask each other about things you collectively decided to disagree on without, evidently, any personal thought.

The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and members (for example: the leader is considered the Messiah or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity).
Any cis woman who isn't "gender critical" gets called a 'handmaid' and everyone else who isn't "gender critical" gets called an MRA, where only "gender critical" people are truly looking out for cis women's rights (don't pay attention to the anti-abortion activists, racists, homophobes, ableists, antisemites and otherwise threat to all or significant groups of women in the back).

The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.
Help help my husband thinks I'm transphobic should I get a divorce.
Help help my family and friends have estranged me because I'm obsessed with trans people, this does not reflect on anything I'm doing at all.
My otherwise lefty friends are men's rights activists, how dare they complain about me asking the Helen Staniland question every time trans women get mentioned.

The group’s leader is not accountable to any authorities (as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations).
Posie Parker, who's free to call for trans men to get sterilized, trans women to die slow painful deaths (though, given I've seen a number on Spinster celebrating trans women being murdered, dying or being abused, that shouldn't be a surprise), make surplus racist comments, invite herself over to white supremacist shows. Bilek's fifteen months of fame taking antisemitical theories from Keith Woods, noted neo-Nazi. Helen Joyce who took those same theories from Bilek, the billboard guy who harassed women on the streets.

No real 'leader' and no military or rabbi's or whatever, but man do the main figures in your shitshow get away with everything as long as it's not targeted at others of your own.

The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group (for example: collecting money for bogus charities).
The ties to the Heritage Foundation.
The lawyers that are anti-abortion activists.
The speakers that are anti-abortion activists.
The movies involving literal practicing, conversion therapy website listed, homophobic conversion therapists.
The constant sexual harassment.
Selling your house for a relatively minor lawsuit because winning it might mean gender critical thinking gets defended by the law.

The leadership induces guilt feelings in members in order to control them.
If you don't participate enough you're literally throwing children into a pit of hormones and surgery and getting every woman raped because that's how society will be if the transes get any semblance of respect.

Members’ subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family and friends, and to give up personal goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.
Gender critical people spend more time talking and thinking up make-believe stories about trans people than trans people spend time thinking about trans people.
There's surplus stories on this place alone on people cutting ties or having ties cut with people because you can't stop obsessing over hating us.

Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
A little bit of column 'trying to peak everyone', a little bit of column 'everyone who's too positive towards trans people is a handmaid/MRA and the enemy'.

OnlyTheLangOfTheTitberg · 17/09/2021 05:31

Barheim, I’ve got some Deep Heat if you pulled a muscle reaching.

OldCrone · 17/09/2021 05:53

James Esses, fired from a child helpline for pushing unlicensed therapy on children with the effort to steer them away from being trans (conversion therapy)

When you talk about children "being trans", which of these descriptions do you think best fits them @Barheim?

Etiology: The currently understood causes of gender dysphoria include: 1) autogynephilia (a heterosexual male who is sexually aroused at the thought of himself as a woman), 2) internalized homophobia, or a rejection of one’s homosexuality (for example a preference to live life as a “trans woman” attracted to men, vs living as a gay man), 3) concrete thinking processes that characterize autism spectrum conditions (“I don’t like “girl” things therefore I must be a boy”), 4) sexual trauma (a protective mechanism to avoid repeat sexual trauma), 5) conflation of sex and gender (due to the stress of simply not fitting into societal expectations of gender roles).

gdworkinggroup.org/2020/02/06/gender-dysphoria-resource-for-providers-2/

If your answer is 'none of those', can you give a description of exactly what you mean when you talk about a child "being trans"?

Deliriumoftheendless · 17/09/2021 06:16

Although to be fair there is that weird thing about toilet brushes that I don’t understand.

Does that qualify?

And I’m not sure it’s a GC position tbh.

Quaggars · 17/09/2021 06:23

@barheim that!
Agree
PP is who sprung to mind too.
What with the going on supremacy or misogynistic arsehole platforms, but if you question iher you get '' but she doesn't claim to be a feminist! "" '' but she's got such lovely hair! '' Hmm (maybe you're just jealous etc (seriously, you couldn't make it up, actually happened)
Unquestioning, unwavering support.

sanluca · 17/09/2021 06:24

Barheim, your post is an excellent example of proganda, not unlike what totalitarian societies produce. Just enough words that link to the other side's position but in the completely wrong order. Making it exhausting to dispute but enough to smear and frustrate. Really well done.

Can I just advice not to use the word 'transes' to refer to transwomen? You do it to ridicule us but it jars the reader out of the your arguments and by mocking yourself, it shows you mock us and then stops people taking your further words seriously.

sanluca · 17/09/2021 06:28

But anyway back to the topic. Doesn't matter if anyone thinks anyone is a cult. You can debate both sides are a cult till your dying days. In the end men aren't women and even if women lose all rights to dignity and safety away from males for a while, women will just work around it. We have for eons. We will keep excluding fully intact male bodied people whatever their pronouns.

Quaggars · 17/09/2021 06:35

Yy to trying to recruit people too
As in people saying for example ':I peaked my friend/DH today '' or stickering in public
But anyway back to the topic
Eh? This and barnheims post IS literally the topic.
Discussing are we the cult is the title and OP of the whole thread!

BettyFilous · 17/09/2021 06:38

@OldTurtleNewShell

Ha ha. Yes, it's a massive projection. I'm always amused at the claim that Glinner is somehow our leader as if they find it impossible to comprehend how women might have an opinion without a man telling them what it is. Always so revealing.
Yes, that’s the angle that really shows their hand. We’re a shifting constellation of unformed, unthinking girliness without a man to lead us and tell us what to think. 🙄
Sophoclesthefox · 17/09/2021 07:00

What a lot of time you’ve spent monitoring here, barheim.

And yet how little you seem to have really taken in.

It must not be a very good cult if it can’t convert someone spending days here obsessively reading Grin

MidsomerMurmurs · 17/09/2021 07:05

@Barheim “normalcy” eh? I’m not sure you’re particularly well informed about the UK, are you? Seems odd to be obsessively posting on a UK site.

Your long post contained lots of interesting words but not necessarily in the right order. You could start by actually thinking about what conversion therapy is. Transing away the gay is conversion therapy.

rabbitwoman · 17/09/2021 07:06

I have always thought that if you allow all the facts and evidence to come out and allow people to make up their own minds, it will become very apparent very quickly exactly what is going on.

One side has campaigned so ardently for sunlight, debate, information, research; and then the other side has tried it's very best to suppress all those things. Almost as if it has no confidence after all in the ideology.

Talking to people about this subject I am often really surprised at:

How few people know who Stonewall are

How many people still believe in blue brains and pink brains

How many people still say puberty blockers are harmless and fully reversible

Noone knows who Aimee Challenor is

Noone knows who Karen White is

Noone has heard of Keira Bell, Helen Webberly, Sonia Appleby, Allison Bailey, James Essen or their court cases

Everyone thinks Maya Forstater is a horrible bigot who bullied trans people she worked with

I spoke to one person who was adament that Marion Millar had actually assaulted a police woman and so deserved everything she got..... Sheesh! They would not believe me when I told them the details.

AND the actual trans women I have spoken to seem to actually agree with a lot of what I believe!!!

No wonder there is such a concentrated push to keep us ignorant and compliant....

sanluca · 17/09/2021 07:19

@Quaggars

Yy to trying to recruit people too As in people saying for example ':I peaked my friend/DH today '' or stickering in public But anyway back to the topic Eh? This and barnheims post IS literally the topic. Discussing are we the cult is the title and OP of the whole thread!
I meant the way Barheim writes propaganda style, not the cult topic. Which is of course the topic.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/09/2021 07:21

Closest you've got is Posie Parker, who's racism and constant platforming on white supremacy channels seems to be completely forgotten

What? I thought Our Supreme Leader was Graham Linehan? I've missed a memo Sad

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/09/2021 07:25

Being so obsessed in "ribboning", because someone in trial for an accusation of homophobic/transphobic hate crimes decided to stalk someone to take pictures in their home environment, that you completely forget that the act is a) illegal and b) reflecting incredibly poorly on any company still willing to advertise here comes to mind.

How is putting coloured ribbons up illegal?

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 17/09/2021 07:31

Being so obsessed in "ribboning", because someone in trial for an accusation of homophobic/transphobic hate crimes decided to stalk someone to take pictures in their home environment

Yeah honey.... You're gonna have to back up that allegation.

Igneococcus · 17/09/2021 07:37

What? I thought Our Supreme Leader was Graham Linehan? I've missed a memo

Maybe there was a coup over night.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/09/2021 07:39

Barheim

Imagine a word where misogyny is criminalised and certain terms are recognised as misogynistic slurs, and therefore inexcusable hate crime. You have tweeted something in anger about a prominent GC woman, say JK Rowling. You are arrested and charged with a criminal offence carrying a possible custodial sentence. Your friends and allies try to crowdfund for you or support you as they believe it is unfair but it keeps being shut down and people say "this person is charged with misogynistic hate crime, they don't deserve any assistance, and they must be guilty, or why would they have been charged?"

Be careful what you wish for.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/09/2021 07:41

Maybe there was a coup over night.

I always knew she would! That Posie!

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 17/09/2021 08:03

Yes, imagine if you got arrested because you tweeted a photo of a trans flag tied to a fence near the Harry Potter studios in Watford and JK Rowling decided that it was threatening and reported you to the police? Wouldn't you think that was a injustice? Wouldn't you crowfund if you couldn't afford the legal fees?

I mean, you are going to have to use your imagination quite actively here, given that TRAs have held up banners at Pride events literally saying #KILLJKROWLING and 'Rot in Hell Rowling' and neither the police nor those on the apparent 'right side of history like yourself' @Barheim have given a flying fuck, so the likelihood of the above scenario is less than zero..... but give it a go anyway.

RedToothBrush · 17/09/2021 08:10

JKR is my leader. I pay my subs to Britain First. I have shares in hobbycraft. I only read Brietbart for my source of news. I have a framed picture of Nige on my wall. I follow westboro baptist church on insta. I stalk Aimee Knight for fun. I hold peaking ceremonies in my back garden for the latest convert. I have newsnight on 24 hour repeat. I don't have Russian ancestry but I pretend I do and signed up for RussianPatroits.co.uk some years ago and get paid 30 rubles a month for trolling. I'm on first name terms with twitter support having been banned 145 times, a fact I'm proud of. And of course, i have a signed framed picture of Adolf on my wall above my bed.

Busted. You got me.