The GC what now? Are we the cult?

[Anotheruser02]

Twice in the last week or so I've read TRA posts on twitter saying GC fems are a cult. Despite the fact the movement begs for debate and sunlight. No secrecy or pushing for kids to hold secrets from their families.

Is this the latest in "I know you are but what am I" or has this been a claim all along and I haven't noticed?

What about if a child lists themselves as Spiderman?

given you're busy in campaigns to take away my dignity and human rights, deal with it.

Two things:

1. You're talking utter, unmitigated bollocks
2. There is HUGE push by transactivists to take away the dignity and human rights of women

Funnily enough no one likes to talk about the left wing roots and continuing traditions of the GC movement in the UK. Its a bit inconvenient.

There have been numberous voices (I think Lisa Muggeridge was one of the first) who made the point that at some point if the left wing political parties alienated the working classes who were concerned about issues surrounding males in women's spaces and safety - and they felt their voices were not listened to then, there would be a pattern like in many northern town were there had been child gangs were far right groups moved in to full the void because the left had failed to safe guard women and girls.

So strangely enough there have been many gender critical voices warning that as this became and comes to become a more mainstream issue, that the general public will become aware of scandals and problems which have been shoved under the carpet because safeguarding is an inconvenience and transphobic.

The whole point about much of the GC movement in the UK is that it feels politically homeless - betrayed by the left and pushed down and ignored by the right. So they have to crowd source as a result.

But never let the truth get in the way of a good meme.

Anyway... off to hobbycraft where maybe I can find someone with more incite into British Politics than some numpty on the internet who doesn't know how much it rains in Manchester and has problems with google.

@Jaysmith71

What about if a child lists themselves as Spiderman?

Will it be deadnaming him to call him Peter Parker?

Sorry I'm not sure what the protocol with superheroes is.

Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, the whole lot of them. Am I walking into a politically correct nightmare if I get it wrong?

Transwoman
Transwoman
Does whatever a woman can*

(Except menstruate, lactate, ovulate, gestate, etc.)

@Fariha31

Ooooh, can I do the outfits? Im thinking long and drapy like the Hari Chrishna. But not orange tho, more gray and natural tones?

But blue is more my colour, I do love purple though. Hmmmm decisions decisions.

@Jaysmith71

Transwoman Transwoman Does whatever a woman can*

(Except menstruate, lactate, ovulate, gestate, etc.)

Just stumbled on this, thought it might be useful for anyone feeling at the mercy of their emotions.

'emotions are guesses that your brain constructs in the moment'

and 'you have more control over those guesses than you might imagine you do'.

@eurochick

Maybe we could have "cunts with cunts" as our mantra?

I'm getting that on a t shirt 😀😀

I'm trans, am fully aware what the majority of you think of people of my demographic, and know the topics of discussion when you think no one else is reading.

I also haven't spent more than maybe a handful of hours here and that's solely because I'm hoping at least one of you isn't sucked into this ridiculous sell-your-own-home-for-the-cause-and-live-off-carbonara cult.

Sorry, but this really does show you own deep prejudice and I understand that you feel that it is a well justified prejudice, but you do need to acknowledge it is there and perhaps it is not as justified as you think.

I'd be surprised from your previous posting history that you do know that the majority think here. I suspect you'd be just as mistaken about that as you are saying when you think no one else is reading.

Perhaps you have not read widely enough to realise regular posters carefully craft their posts to be read by the great many lurkers that read these threads.

Hence why we keep asking for evidence and support for posters opposing our arguments. Not only do we want to see the evidence for our own benefit, but we genuinely want lurkers to read and make up their own minds and maybe feel confident enough to post and ask more questions. Questions that challenge those who had not thought of that aspect or seen that evidence before.

So, no. I don't believe many posters who spend enough time on here to be conversant with current events believes that posters 'think no one else is reading'. FFS every single thing we post is monitored by twitter and moderated by MN moderators. (And pp's are correct, regulars would never get away with the aggression that seems to underline your posts or the generalisations that you make. Why is that?)

because I'm hoping at least one of you isn't sucked into this ridiculous sell-your-own-home-for-the-cause-and-live-off-carbonara cult.

What a pretty damning thing to say really and it just reeks of that prejudice you have. But anyway, as has been said time and time again, the very best way to stop someone being 'sucked into this ridiculous sell-your-own-home-for-the-cause-and-live-off-carbonara cult' is to present a coherent argument with evidence to support your assertion. That would make a great deal of difference.

How is barheim being aggressive?
It's a difference of opinion.
That's not being aggressive!

I’m not a regular poster on these boards (frequent reader with interest and admiration however! ) But I’ve been a Lib Dem member since 2015 and was recently approached to stand as a local councillor.

On the back of Ed Davey’s comments this morning I’ve just cancelled my party membership. I’m aligned with the Lib Dems on many other issues, but I won’t lend my support, even tacitly, to any party that persists in throwing women’s sex-based rights under the bus. And I’m sure I’m far from alone among the voting population.

I don't use the GC term as a label for this very reason.

It was the best way for Maya to win but it's created this idea that we are an ideology to be "counter attacked."

I'm trans, am fully aware what the majority of you think of people of my demographic, and know the topics of discussion when you think no one else is reading.

I also haven't spent more than maybe a handful of hours here and that's solely because I'm hoping at least one of you isn't sucked into this ridiculous sell-your-own-home-for-the-cause-and-live-off-carbonara cult.

I don't know what you say about me and think of me because I can't be arsed to look for myself - but I'll make a point of telling you that I know you all hate me because someone told me rather than me making the effort to find out for myself. Cos I'd rather believe that than give people a chance, whilst expecting those people to give me a chance whilst I slag them off.

And you say we are the ones who do the pre judging (prejudice)?

And you wonder why you get short shrift when what you tell us we are is a complete load of cobblers that you've been fed by someone else. Because it aligns with you pre held beliefs.

Its funny, my sibling's partner decided my husband was transphobic. This is why he didn't want to meet my husband or me. And i was supposed to merrily just accept this and accept them into my family when they'd actively gone out of their way to poison my whole family against my husband. It was madness. But definitely eye opening.

And this is what pisses me off. We are supposed to be the ignorant ones. We are supposed to be bigotted and know nothing. Our life experiences are worthless. We are supposed to suck up abuse and people deliberately abusing the system to harm us - and we are supposed to say hell yes, lets remove the few protections we have rather than having a sit down discussion about where there are problems and concerns and we need to work better to recognise where harm - to everyone and all people - is being done. And instead we must put others ahead of us even if it hurts and harms us?

Address the issues and work with us rather than labelling us the problem and shitting all over us because youve been told by someone we are horrible and not worthy of anything.

Basically get up off your lazy arse, engage your brain and do some thinking of your own for once rather than relying on what others have told you.

You might find it actually turns out to be a load of rot.

💪red. Awesome post

Given you're busy in campaigns to take away my dignity and human rights, deal with it.

Leave mine alone and I'll be able to stop annoying you by resisting.

That'll cover it.

Well said, Red

@Quaggars

How is barheim being aggressive? It's a difference of opinion. That's not being aggressive!

Perhaps you missed the post where Barheim says they are hostile.

@Quaggars

How is barheim being aggressive? It's a difference of opinion. That's not being aggressive!

There are some pretty derogatory generalisations and belittling going on...

And Barheim even told us.

I'm also hostile

Should we not believe someone when they tell us who they are?

Ahhhh.... cross posted with Arabella

Thanks Red. There is plenty of truth in that post.

@Barheim

I am calm. I'm also hostile, but given you're busy in campaigns to take away my dignity and human rights, deal with it.

What campaigns? Nobody is trying to take away your dignity and human rights.

There are, however, many people who are campaigning to remove dignity and human rights from women. See for example the Ed Davey radio interview this morning. The leader of the LibDems thinks that there should be no spaces which are not open to people of the male sex.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4351322-Ed-Davy-on-R4-Today-there-should-not-be-safe-places-for-women

You really need to get your facts right about who is trying to remove human rights from whom.

I don't know what you say about me and think of me because I can't be arsed to look for myself - but I'll make a point of telling you that I know you all hate me because someone told me rather than me making the effort to find out for myself
Branheim wasn't referring to everyone though (that's how it reads to me anyway!)
Even says hopefully some of you, so clearly not to everyone - so why, if it doesnt apply to you, are you taking it so personally?
As for saying hostile, I took that as meaning feeling hostile and said so.
The posts themselves I don't think come across as aggressive though.

Imagine walking into a room with a bunch of strangers and saying:

"I know you are all horrible, everyone's told me, so I'm not going to talk to you"

And everyone else going 'eh waht?'

And then going in full on drama

"You all hate me!"

And everyone else going 'ok then, you crack on' and just continuing to talk amongst themselves.

Cos it really is a bit like that tbh.

Sometimes, just sometimes, you have to engage to make friends and win people over rather than just shouting about how awful they are when you know fuck all about them.

Transing away the gay is conversion therapy.
We sure do suck at it, then, considering that 77% of trans people, going by our gender, aren't straight.

It isn't based on "gender". A male only attracted to other males is gay. So no, only when you turn it upside down and rob it of all meaning. So you are avoiding the question.