Marion Millar

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I just read Marion is having to put her home on the market.

I’m fucking incandescent with rage at this bullshit.

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I was catching up with this on Twitter last night. Please bear in mind that some nefarious types are likely to try to set up fake crowd funder type accounts to part you from your cash. Stick to the official channels and follow their lead. This case is so heated that we should be extra careful our support is actually going where it is needed.

Good advice, for this and generally.

It seems that people are jumping on a band wagon thinking they are supporting a GC movement when actually they could be supporting some quite hateful communications?

What do you think would justify this prosecution? I've followed Marion on Twitter for the entirety of the period of tweets in question. Unless she directly incited people to violence, which I've certainly never seen from her (but have from many many TRAs), I can't see any reason why she or anyone else should be prosecuted for hate crime, however unpalatable their views.

I always enjoy disingenuous faux concern in the morning. So comforting.

Just a reminder that 'hate crime' is not a thing. A hate crime is a crime that would still be a crime without the hate. The hate is an aggravating factor that would tend to lead to a heavier sentence.

Unless she directly incited people to violence, which I've certainly never seen from her (but have from many many TRAs), I can't see any reason why she or anyone else should be prosecuted for hate crime, however unpalatable their ^views.
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This is my position.

"She might have said something not very nice" is not a reason to involve the police, it's fucking beyond ridiculous in a country that's supposed to believe in freedom of speech and have laws to protect it. It's also a waste of time, money and resources.

The process seems to be designed to intimidate and persecute MM and have a "chilling effect" on all those who have similar GC views. All that for some tweets.

She is primarily accused of saying not very nice things about the officer who initially arrested her and allegedly threatened to take her kids into care.

suggestionsplease1

Women everywhere are being forced to be polite about their utter rage at their subjugation, violent intimidation and oppression.

This crowdfunding intimidation, is merely the latest.

Personally I couldn't care less if women eff and blind and call people every name under the sun, overflowing with fury.

It's time.

I have a number of friends living in central Scotland, some v close to Marion. Is there, somewhere, a succinct summary of her case I can share?

Im relatively well versed in the GC / self ID movement but if I wanted a user friendly intro to share?

@Jaysmith71

She is primarily accused of saying not very nice things about the officer who initially arrested her and allegedly threatened to take her kids into care.

This seems to be the case.

Which reached the level of absolute farce, when the person who threatened to burn her children alive in their beds is happily cracking on with life.

If we're going to worry about 'malicious communications' then there one is. Much, much worse than anything Marion's alleged to have said, where's the blues and twos and court case???

Or is this actually not about 'malicious communications' at all, but just intimidating, harassing and punishing a woman who dared to publicly speak out about women's rights from the current onslaught of men's rights activism? And largely intended to intimidate and scare off other women who might dare to speak up?

Because if so, it's really not working. I'm seeing women getting angrier by the day.

@Datun

suggestionsplease1

Women everywhere are being forced to be polite about their utter rage at their subjugation, violent intimidation and oppression.

This crowdfunding intimidation, is merely the latest.

Personally I couldn't care less if women eff and blind and call people every name under the sun, overflowing with fury.

It's time.

Absolutely Datun.

All charges relating to the ribbon appear to have been dropped.

Where did you see this? I couldn't find it anywhere.

@Fitt

Stripe just sucks money from card providers. If you wonder why credit cards charge so much interest it's to pay all of these intermediary tech businesses.

Very parasitical.

I'm sorry, but this is completely incorrect.

Stripe is one of many legitimate payment gateways that provide the service of credit and debit card payment processing.

These companies charge a fee to the recipient of the money. Any credit card interest is between the cardholder and their card provider.

If I use my Bank X credit card to buy something from Shop Y via Stripe, Stripe charges Shop Y a fee. The interest rate is a matter between Bank X and myself and has nothing to do with Stripe or Shop Y.

If I use my Bank Z debit card instead, the fee Stripe charges Shop Y is the same.

Likewise, if I buy something from a shop with physical notes and coins, the shop may pay a security company to perform a cash collection service in order to get the cash deposited into a bank account.

@RoyalCorgi

All charges relating to the ribbon appear to have been dropped.

Where did you see this? I couldn't find it anywhere.

It was the reporting at the time.

Links are in the old thread, somewhere.

All charges relating to the ribbon appear to have been dropped.

Are you referring to this?

"It is claimed Millar posted a photograph on social media of a sign where a named Scots actor was working at the time."

She asked for the trial to be put back so she could have time to read up her European human rights (or something like that). I'm not sure how that can help her for allegedly identifying/saying untruthful things about an officer on social media?

Joanna Cherry, who is acting on her behalf asked for things to put back as until that court date she didn't know what the charges were. They will in addition be arguing that the case is against her human rights

She asked for the trial to be put back so she could have time to read up her European human rights (or something like that).

She was told the charges and given 10 minutes to respond. Do you think 10 minutes in court (so can't speak to lawyer i private) is adequate in order to respond to criminal charges? I think it is shocking and in no way just.

The trial wasn't put back so she can read up, the court are needing to sit first to de ide whether by placing the charges at all they are breeching her fundamental human rights.

@Jaysmith71

She is primarily accused of saying not very nice things about the officer who initially arrested her and allegedly threatened to take her kids into care.

I would have thought the police esp in Glasgow would be well used to nasty comnents from people they have nicked? If every comment ledto charges the courts would be overrun!

"It is claimed Millar posted a photograph on social media of a sign where a named Scots actor was working at the time."

This would appear to be the 'witches' photo.

I would have thought the police esp in Glasgow would be well used to nasty comnents from people they have nicked?

Fans of Traffic Cops and Police Interceptors will be aware of how impolite and potty-muthed the criminal fraternity can be.

she's charged for what she's actually done.

You're familiar with the burden of proof being on the prosecution? She is innocent until the point that she is found guilty, this is a cornerstone of British law.

It was the reporting at the time.

My understanding was that the picture of the ribbon was accompanied by a reference to the place the Scottish actor was working. The complaint was that the ribbon looked like a noose. So unless I'm mistaken, the charge relating to the ribbon still stands (along with the other two charges relating to what Millar is alleged to have tweeted about the police officer).

"The complaint was that the ribbon looked like a noose."

Did the complainant actually say that?