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Guardian article: “ Judith Butler: ‘We need to rethink the category of woman“

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SuperSleepyBaby · 07/09/2021 19:27

See this article in the Guardian:

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/sep/07/judith-butler-interview-gender

One of the questions asked was “ It seems that some within feminist movements are becoming sympathetic to these far-right campaigns. This year’s furore around Wi Spa in Los Angeles saw an online outrage by transphobes followed by bloody protests organised by the Proud Boys. Can we expect this alliance to continue?”.....

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RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 21:07

Well a hostage situation would explain a lot 🤔

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 21:08

@MiladyBerserko

Thanks for that Lettera

Fucking brilliant!

What's the ransom I wonder..

Depending on how much it is we could have a whip round
CatherinaJTV · 07/09/2021 21:18

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

I really enjoyed that read. I, too, think it is striking how trans exclusionary feminists have few concerns regarding reactionary sources/allies

Do you know many trans exclusionary feminists then?

a couple in person - most women/feminists are not like that, which is good Smile
BrozTito · 07/09/2021 21:21

Im gc but there is definite cosying up to far right stuff going on. That super straight crap for a start

BrozTito · 07/09/2021 21:24

And the Guardian get it wrong sometimes but they have consistently pushed feminism and people like julie bindel. The idea right wing media is anti trans to be pro women is fucking laughable.

CatherinaJTV · 07/09/2021 21:26

@BrozTito

Im gc but there is definite cosying up to far right stuff going on. That super straight crap for a start
indeed - interestingly, that section has been removed from the piece - I wonder what happened there...
Blibbyblobby · 07/09/2021 21:34

@CatherinaJTV

I really enjoyed that read. I, too, think it is striking how trans exclusionary feminists have few concerns regarding reactionary sources/allies.
This is because you do not understand the situation,

nor the concerns of women,

nor the fact that when two very different, indeed usually diametrically opposed groups are saying you are wrong, it does not mean they have suddenly despite all their differences become allies, it means you are so very, very wrong that even groups with nothing else at all in common can see it.

Waitwhat23 · 07/09/2021 21:50

@CatherinaJTV have you got any comments about the Wi Spa incident? The ones GC feminists allegedly made up. The one that TRA's defended, saying that small girls shouldn't look at exposed penises? When it turned out it was in fact a sex offenders taking advantage of self ID and the chilling effect.

GC feminists aren't the ones defending men's right to expose their penis to young children.

Waitwhat23 · 07/09/2021 21:59

indeed - interestingly, that section has been removed from the piece - I wonder what happened there...

@CatherinaJTV I mean, this was your comment about information about super straight being removed from the piece. But you didn't make any comment about about the removal of information regarding the Wi Spa incident. Strange that..

EarthSight · 07/09/2021 22:01

@SuperSleepyBaby

“ This article was edited on 7 September 2021 to reflect developments which occurred after the interview took place”.

These developments that are not mentioned specifically are actually quite relevant to the whole conversation!

Yeah.....I think it would have been better if they printed it, then issued an apology if they genuinely regretted printing it. It's very interesting to see which questions their reporters ask, and before the pushback, they printed it without a problem (I assume). Really wish someone could provide a screenshot.
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:02

a couple in person - most women/feminists are not like that, which is good

Thats a relief 😀 its what ive found as well

EarthSight · 07/09/2021 22:09

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer

even joyous to see what trans men are doing with the category of “men”.

Doesn't even make any sense

Personally id be joyous to see what transmen are doing with the category of women

And ecstatic to see what transwomen are doing with the category of men

That would make so much more sense than destroying sex based reality

It doesn't make any sense, no @RufustheBadgeringReindeer

Just because more people are identifying as men, doesn't mean biological males will suddenly be less of a risk to women, physically or sexually! 'Doing with the category of men' makes it sound like an interior design project! Oh look what we've done with the place! Come inside! It's nice and welcoming now!

Wtf. What planet is she on???

EishetChayil · 07/09/2021 22:16

@MiladyBerserko

We need to rethink the category of 'academic'

THIS.

Some of the most virulent TRA handmaidens are academics. So divorced from reality it's actually embarrassing. They will never in a million years be faced with a prison sentence alongside a violent trans-identified male. They have no CLUE about the lives of the majority of women outside their academic bubble.

SpindleWhorl · 07/09/2021 22:19

@SuperSleepyBaby

The question I quoted is gone from the article? It was there one hour ago but they edited the article and deleted it? Is that right?
Oh how interesting ...
tilder · 07/09/2021 22:22

@BrozTito

Im gc but there is definite cosying up to far right stuff going on. That super straight crap for a start
Being gender critical has nothing to do with being super straight to my knowledge.
Thelnebriati · 07/09/2021 22:27

The original version has been archived;

archive.is/jds9K

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:30

Being gender critical has nothing to do with being super straight to my knowledge

I don’t see what its got to do with being far right either

It was started by a 16 year old child

Thelnebriati · 07/09/2021 22:33

My post has been reported. It contains the archived link to the original version of the article.

BrozTito · 07/09/2021 22:33

Loads of GC happily went along with that super straight stuff despite it coming from far right misogynists.

Thelnebriati · 07/09/2021 22:35

How inconvenient for your narrative that the far right hates feminists.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:36

@BrozTito

Loads of GC happily went along with that super straight stuff despite it coming from far right misogynists.
16 year olds

Fuck me they start young!

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:37

@Thelnebriati

My post has been reported. It contains the archived link to the original version of the article.
Wonder if it will be back

Rewriting of history rarely ends well

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 07/09/2021 22:38

I think she's coming across as arrogant and intellectually challenged. Bold statements with no evidence. Complete misunderstanding of concerns about gender ideology. Who on earth gave her a platform?

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:38

[quote BrozTito]www.bergenpflag.com/transphobic-trend-super-straight-has-links-to-the-far-right-and-neo-nazis/[/quote]
So the 16 year old was a neo nazi as well

Fucking hell im even more shocked