Christine Mboma wins Diamond League 200m

[NotBadConsidering]

Christine Mboma is male. Shericka Jackson 2nd. Dina Asher-Smith came 3rd.

www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/58442621

Obviously no mention of the controversy around a male sex person running in women’s athletics by the brief summary by the BBC .

Previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4312328-Female-Namibian-runners-change-events-due-to-too-high-testosterone

At each series the prize money is as follows:

www.diamondleague.com/rules/

1st 10,000 USD
2nd 6000
3rd 3500

Allowing this male to continue to run is costing women thousands of dollars each time .

@Delphinium20

What about the Black women who lose spots to the cheating men?!?! Does no one care about them? Why aren't there scouts looking for Black women in Namibia who could certainly benefit from prize monies?

Yes, especially in sprinting it is largely black women who are being shafted out of medals by the bollock havers.

The majority of the finalists in the Diamond League 200m final were black female athletes @VladmirsPoutine, but the top prize money was taken by a male athlete with a DSD condition. I genuinely don’t know why anyone thinks this is acceptable.

They other athletes might be invisible because they are women.

Mboma has just won the Diamond League final - breaking the junior world record that Mboma already held

worth noting that all winners in the Diamond League Final are guaranteed a place in next year's World Championships.

also - prize money for DL final
1st $30,000
2nd $12,000
3rd $7,000
4th $4'000
5th $2'500
6th $2'000
7th $1'500
8th $1'000

So the fourth placed athlete was denied 3000 dollars for her rightful place

Also, who was the female athlete who didn't get to compete?

@NotBadConsidering

Christine Mboma is male. Shericka Jackson 2nd. Dina Asher-Smith came 3rd.

www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/58442621

Obviously no mention of the controversy around a male sex person running in women’s athletics by the brief summary by the BBC .

Previous thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4312328-Female-Namibian-runners-change-events-due-to-too-high-testosterone

At each series the prize money is as follows:

www.diamondleague.com/rules/

1st 10,000 USD
2nd 6000
3rd 3500

Allowing this male to continue to run is costing women thousands of dollars each time .

She is intersex which is SO different from male (including trans)

She is intersex which is SO different from male (including trans) shock

Why not read the thread . Mboma is male.

Disappointed to see you using the outdated term intersex purpleneon rather than the correct term People with Disorders of Sexual Development.

It has been evidenced repeatedly in this thread that the DSD Mboma has is one that only males can have. Mboma is a male with a disorder of sexual development, they are not a woman

You are correct that DSD is fuck all to do with trans

She is intersex which is SO different from male (including trans)

And yet, so different from being female. Do you think they should be competing in the female category?

“Intersex” people are either male or female. Christine is a male, complete with bollocks and everything else that give males physical advantages.

I don’t care how someone “identifies”, anything other than 100% female should NOT be competing with females.

She is intersex which is SO different from male (including trans) shock

No, really do march in here tomorrow edjumacate us all, about something we have discussed in detail on this thread over hundreds of posts. And the descriptor 'intersex' is both outdated and inaccurate.

Crap, 'tomorrow' should be 'to'

I’m at a loss as to how it can be spun as racist that we are not supportive of two black women being denied their rightful placing and prize money by a male bodied athlete with a DSD.

Really, what is the point that you feel you’re making, here?

As a PP pointed out, in a different case, users of this board were also extremely upset and indignant on behalf of the women of colour from poor backgrounds in developing countries denied their time to shine and their place on the podium by Laurel Hubbard.

Here, for example: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4237143-Laurel-Hubbard-to-go-to-Tokyo?msgid=108419209#108419209

I presume that you’re equating this situation to the horrible comments that some people make about the supposed “masculinity” of black women athletes, like Serena Williams being called a man? I’ve never seen anyone do that on this board, and it would be squashed at once if anyone did, because it is disgustingly racist.

It is not abusive or racist to comment on the fact that, given these athletes are covered by the rules for 46XY DSD athletes, they must, in fact have a male physiology, with all the advantages thereto. It is completely dishonest and disingenuous to suggest that this is in any way motivated by racism, and suggests that you don’t want to discuss the actual issue at hand.

Totally agree Sophocles

Sophocles, it's just lazy and an attempt to stop the conversation through facile dogwhistle insults, "racist" and "bigot".

Sean Ingle continues to fight the good fight, pointing out the Cas ruling, 5 alpha reductase deficiency etc

www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/sep/13/world-athletics-rules-threaten-to-leave-more-female-athletes-stuck-in-limbo

No comments of course, but I bet that’s not his doing.

Yes, he laid out the problem quite well despite misleading title. His conclusion quoting CAS is spot on

Put simply, on one hand is the right of every athlete to compete in sport, to have their legal sex and gender identity respected, and to be free from any form of discrimination,” it said. "On the other hand, is the right of female athletes, who are relevantly biologically disadvantaged vis-à-vis male athletes, to be able to compete against other female athletes and to achieve the benefits of athletic success.”

Kudos to Sean Ingle. I wish more sports journalists would be this honest when discussing Mboma.

It's a good although not perfect article. E.g. noting that some people's argument is based on the idea that "society is becoming more gender-fluid" but failing to highlight that boring old biological sex is just the same as it always has been. I think a lot of the confusion in this space comes from the conflation of gender and sex and articles like this need to do a better job of setting the scene on this before wading into the arguments. It was good that he was so unambiguous about the condition under question being a male (XY) DSD though.

I still think he could have quoted from the CAS judgement and used the terms legally female and 'having gone though male puberty. '

@ChateauMargaux

I still think he could have quoted from the CAS judgement and used the terms legally female and 'having gone though male puberty. '

As is the way with newspapers, we can have no idea what Sean Ingle wrote v. what was printed, rephrased, or edited out.

Tonight in Zagreb Francine Niyonsaba broke the women's world record for 2,000 metres running 5.21.56

Although not the most regularly run distance, worth noting that the previous quickest time was 5.23.75 by former 1,500m Olympic silver medalist and World Championship gold medalist Genzebe Dibaba of Ethiopia.

It's a joke now really. I see the alleged connection of the previous holder with a coach Jama Aden. Aden was arrested in 2016 for having EPO in his hotel room. Genzebe Dibaba has now distanced herself from that coach. Mo Farah had some alleged connections with Aden also. Farah has dismissed those allegations and has stated his connection was less that what was alleged.

Well, it's hard to judge women athletes for anything anymore. Not when male bodies are allowed to compete against them, complete with male testosterone etc. etc. etc. They are putting women at an automatic disadvantage in their supposed sex class competition. Males are naturally manufacturing testosterone at rates women don't. I don't know if even women doping with artificial testosterone would have the levels which the males who are allowed to compete against them have.