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CharlieParley · 02/09/2021 16:45

"Serial sex offender". Quelle surprise.

WhatsAppening · 02/09/2021 16:46

‘But this never happens’

AnyOldPrion · 02/09/2021 16:56

Glad it has been confirmed. This will continue to happen while women are forced to have men in their spaces. Keep pulling.

GoodnightGrandma · 02/09/2021 16:58

What is it going to take for this to stop ?

RoyalCorgi · 02/09/2021 16:59

I'm utterly astonished. Who could have imagined that a serial sex offender would take advantage of self-ID laws to expose himself in a women's changing room?

It's inexplicable.

Anyone else holding their breath while waiting for the Guardian apology for its egregious misreporting?

yourhairiswinterfire · 02/09/2021 17:00

I'm sure all those that said we shouldn't believe the women because they were religious, those that victim blamed the children, and those that then called it all a hoax when that didn't go down too well, will be along any moment now to apologise for defending a sex offender and blaming the women.

Any second now....

ArabellaScott · 02/09/2021 17:01

Oh, the Guardian had noted there was a lot of misinformation floating about, of course.

'The episode, experts said, offered a case study in how viral misinformation can result in violence, '

Same article seems to strongly suggest the whole story was made up. I'm sure they'll soon take steps to remedy their error.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/28/anti-trans-video-los-angeles-protest-wi-spa

HermioneWeasley · 02/09/2021 17:02

Imagine my surprise

OldCrone · 02/09/2021 17:07

I'm utterly astonished. Who could have imagined that a serial sex offender would take advantage of self-ID laws to expose himself in a women's changing room?

And this particular sex offender thinks that the laws don't give enough protection to males who want to expose themselves to women and girls.

From the NY Post article:

Merager says her open cases involving accusations of indecent exposure show a “pattern of abuse” from a state and society that punishes transgender people. “You allow [trans women] to go in there [women’s spaces] and then people simply claim indecent exposure and you’re arrested,” she says.

Merager says she is speaking with progressive California lawmakers, like state senator Scott Wiener, in the hope that they change state law to better protect trans people.

“If you go into an area where you’re expected to be nude, there has to be an indecent exposure exemption,” she says.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 02/09/2021 17:07

Well colour me shocked, what an absolute surprise 😒

All those "hoax!"ers will surely be apologising, maybe this will be a turning point where ok, sex offenders will abuse this, the women were right, maybe take another look...

I jest, unfortunately. It'll be all "well I didn't know they were a sex offender, and neither did YOU, you just attacked them because trans" Deflect, mantras, deflect, nasty women, deflect.

RedDogsBeg · 02/09/2021 17:08

Pertinent excerpts from the article:

Merager claims to identify as female so he can access women’s locker rooms and showers, reads an internal flyer by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department that was sent to law enforcement departments in southern California in late 2018.

Merager says she is speaking with progressive California lawmakers, like state senator Scott Wiener, in the hope that they change state law to better protect trans people.

If you go into an area where you’re expected to be nude, there has to be an indecent exposure exemption, she says. Merager says she may file complaints or lawsuits for the discrimination she says she has been made to suffer by law enforcement and women in the Wi Spa

I would be very interested to hear those who support self-id and chant TWAW defend this.

PostingForTheFirstTime · 02/09/2021 17:08

@GoodnightGrandma

The press to report it, the general public to actually do something about it, instead of just leaving it to women activists and Mumsnet.

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NecessaryScene · 02/09/2021 17:09

And this particular sex offender thinks that the laws don't give enough protection to males who want to expose themselves to women and girls.

The police are a little cynical for some reason.

In addition to Merager’s new felony charges of indecent exposure, she is also facing six felony counts of indecent exposure over a separate locker room incident in December 2018. Los Angeles County prosecutors accuse Merager of indecent exposure to women and children in a changing area at a swimming pool in West Hollywood Park.

“Merager claims to identify as female so he can access women’s locker rooms and showers,” reads an internal flyer by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department that was sent to law enforcement departments in southern California in late 2018.

growinggreyer · 02/09/2021 17:09

Change the pronouns and that doesn't sound so good, does it?

If males go into an area where females are expected to be nude, there has to be an indecent exposure exemption,” he says

MadameKali · 02/09/2021 17:10

@yourhairiswinterfire

I'm sure all those that said we shouldn't believe the women because they were religious, those that victim blamed the children, and those that then called it all a hoax when that didn't go down too well, will be along any moment now to apologise for defending a sex offender and blaming the women.

Any second now....

Helleofabore · 02/09/2021 17:11

Oh. What a surprise….

I do look forward to the apologies also to those stating it was women objecting to the semi-erect penis in their space and in front of children’s faces that needed to take responsibility for the males stabbing each other in front of the wispa during protests.

And it will be interesting to see the future answers to the Staniland question.

OldTurtleNewShell · 02/09/2021 17:13

Law-enforcement sources revealed that Merager is a tier-one registered sex offender with two prior convictions of indecent exposure stemming from incidents in 2002 and 2003 in California. She declined to comment on the convictions. In 2008, she was convicted for failing to register as a sex offender.

It seems this person has admitted being at the Wi Spa (although not any wrongdoing). A google of the name indicates that they've also spent time in prison for breaking and entering.
I'd be curious for anyone still willing to defend this to let us all know how we stop registered sex offenders like Merager from taking advantage of self-id? Especially considering how, in this incident, women did raise the alarm at the spa but were accused of lying by activists.
So much for 'just complain' or 'call the police' if someone acts inappropriately. We've just found out exactly how activists will treat women when they do.
I keep thinking of that video of the woman in pink who was physically harassed and shouted at by that mob of activists, as well as all the media and articles that presented this as being a transphobic incident.
They were defending a convicted sex offender! I'd like to think that it'd give them pause for thought but it probably won't.

PostingForTheFirstTime · 02/09/2021 17:13

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PronounssheRa · 02/09/2021 17:17

But this never happens, does it?

FreeBritnee · 02/09/2021 17:18

Nope can’t believe it. It never happens. Never.

JustcameoutGC · 02/09/2021 17:18

I would love to find wokebro and see what his reaction is now.

Can we just go back to the five minutes when Believe Women was in vogue?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 02/09/2021 17:20

Yes, come on those of you who defended, doubted, thought this was one of those things some women exaggerate.

Tell us how you made a mistake...

WeeBisom · 02/09/2021 17:20

It’s almost funny, this guys indignant tone about being arrested for indecent exposure. You can tell he’s mad about it. “But I identify as female and that magically lets me into the women’s changing areas! I thought I was home and dry and could show my dick with impunity! These charges are sooo unfair!” I think the best bit about this is he’s so adamant about his trans identity that’s it’s not even possible for the usual suspects to say he’s not really trans !

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/09/2021 17:21

Quelle surprise.

I wonder how that article will go down with the general public reading it. On the one hand, Merager is described as a serial sex offender, on the register of sex offenders and considered too much of a risk to be removed from it, as lesser offenders can be. Merager is a lifelong criminal who from the seriousness of the long list of convictions mentioned has presumably served prison time.

On the other hand, over and over again the article uses she/her pronouns to describe a male person who makes a habit of indecent exposure around women and girls who are in a state of undress. We are all expected to accept Merager as a transwoman because Merager has uttered the magic words 'I identify as a woman', even though Merager appears in the view of the police (as quoted in the article) to have spotted that identifying as a woman is an absolute gift to a sex offender, as women have been pointing out for decades. Merager even expects California lawmakers to take the criminal's side here, not the side of the women and girls who are involuntarily drawn into this pervert's compulsions.

Merager says she is speaking with progressive California lawmakers, like state senator Scott Wiener, in the hope that they change state law to better protect trans people.

“If you go into an area where you’re expected to be nude, there has to be an indecent exposure exemption,” she says. Merager says she may file complaints or lawsuits for the discrimination she says she has been made to suffer by law enforcement and women in the Wi Spa. She says she has been in contact with the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office since learning of the warrant and plans to turn herself in.

The worrying thing is that Merager may well be right in thinking that California lawmakers will automatically default to supporting a transwoman's demands over the safety and privacy of biological women. See screenshot of a California senator challenged about the state's policy of putting prisoners in the prison for the gender identity they claim to have, not their biological sex.

Good news on the WI Spa incident
PostingForTheFirstTime · 02/09/2021 17:21

My previous post was deleted. I'll try again (I'm kind-of new here and haven't yet worked out which words and terms are not allowed, so apologies to the mediators.)

Helen Joyce nails the issues an incident like this raises in her book Trans. She points out that indecent exposure and voyeurism are crimes. But if a man is allowed to identify as a woman, he is able to commit those crimes with impunity; and any woman who is the victim of such a crime can find herself on the wrong side of the law if she reports him.

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