A BBC journalist approached Glinner and said “They’re all old aren’t they? Young women disagree with you.”

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This is Glinner posting his experience outside Marion Millar's court case. He has - most courteously - not named the BBC journalist who stated this - who appears to have forgotten their status as paid for by the public purse and therefore supposedly neutral.

This misogyny of the BBC journalist astounds me. I wonder how many of these old bats (i.e., women over 40) they refer to are the ones who do the family admin/earn the money that means the licence fee gets paid.

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I'm 28 and I support Marion Millar. I have two friends who feel same as me, one aged 27 and the other is 24. Aside from this I find most young people are doing what they think is 'kind'.

supposedly neutral
It's the BBC. We really shouldn't be surprised, scandalous though it is.

Stay classy, BBC. It's not as if young people don't watch you as much and are far less likely to want to pay the licence fee...

...oh.

@teawamutu

Stay classy, BBC. It's not as if young people don't watch you as much and are far less likely to want to pay the licence fee...

...oh.

Absolutely

If they don’t want ‘old’ people to pay the license that can definitely be arranged in this household

How odd that older women were visible amongst those able to attend an event during the day.

I'm baffled as to why younger women who might be caring for young children or other relatives, working etc. might not be present at such a time or were invisible to the BBC reporter:
– even when they were present;
– because they needed to be invisible for fear of doxxing/being reported to an employer etc.

Is mid-30s old?

I have already told my husband to brace himself as bbc licence is getting cancelled next year.

I'm 30. I've been GC for at least five years, in no small part to the fantastic, intelligent, and resourceful women on this radicalisation portal board.

There was a thread the other day about whether 30 was 'old' or not - I'm fairly sure the consensus was no, it isn't, but hell, if it is then I'm glad to be part of the club.

Incidentally, I don't pay a licence fee. I'd rather stream, like the yoofs of today (clearly I'm just trying to stay young and relevant), and frankly the BBC attitudes to this 'debate' is no small part of it. It's a shame, because some BBC programming is fabulous and I've been sorely tempted to bite the bullet, but somehow they do such a good job of thoroughly vindicating my decision to not to bother...

once a woman is no longer fuckable she should just throw a sheet over herself and concentrate on dying as quickly and conveniently as possible, while never, ever inconveniencing a man. everyone knows that

fuck you BBC you bunch of sexist fuckers

Even if this was true it doesn't make one point of view more valid than another.
Up until the age of 28 when i became a mother I believed women had equal rights and that I would not be discriminated against in the 21st century. Age and experience taught me a lesson!

Not just misogynist and ageist but so uninformed. How has this journalist failed to notice Keira Bell and other detransitioners, the young women beaten/displaced by Laurel Hubbard, the many young GC people on Twitter. By being in a no-debate, “block all t**fs” echo chamber perchance?

@katienana

Even if this was true it doesn't make one point of view more valid than another. Up until the age of 28 when i became a mother I believed women had equal rights and that I would not be discriminated against in the 21st century. Age and experience taught me a lesson!

This, all day.

The rage on realising how wrong I was powers me yet.

I'm middle-aged but I had my moment of enlightenment on the transgender issue (there's another term I'd rather use, but we're not allowed to) when I was 22.

One of the reasons misogyny is so successful is that the more knowledge and experience a woman has, the less likely is she to be listened to.

Those who like to think that older people will die soon and that we'll then have a brave new world tend to forget that while old people do die, young people also grow old. People's views change with life experience.

It's also the case that most totalitarian regimes are youth-driven movements, or at least movements that successfully harness the young. These people always think they're progressive and that they are making the world better as they kick your head in or stick you in a camp.

I agree so much about experience teaching you about misogyny and opening your eyes. That’s because it’s takes time to emerge from the sexist soup you grow up immersed in and see things as they are.

I also think many, many women become happier in later life as they get shot of awful men and carrying all the wifework and drudgery, and discover the freedom of enjoying being themselves - which IMO is why older women transitioning is rare, and older women tend to have a longer view on what’s happening for younger women.

I have a young teen and have been waiting for her to be exposed to this. I have spoken to her about this quite a bit hoping to get to her before she gets sucked in, but all her friends from school were debating Hubbard issue during the games, all were vehemently against. It was interesting to see the girls ranting against it. Definitely not just old fogeys. Not that being 40+ means that your opinion is worth less.

This leaped out at me, and thanks to Glinner for pointing out this passing - but pertinent - point amid all today's goings on.

Taking it personally, yes it's depressing to be confronted with that outside perception, seeing as getting older has made me so much more comfortable with myself and my views (no doubt a result of motherhood too) - and how easily this all might be dismissed despite me definitely not feeling 'old' (mid 40s).

Objectively though, it matters somewhat who the journo was - a besuited, middle aged bloke parachuted in who couldn't care less anyway, a local reporter, one of their depressingly dim gender reporters - who was being so dismissive and why is telling in itself. Winding up for a tabloidy reaction? Completely oblivious to their own sexism? Ideologically captured and looking to stick it to the t*s? Who asked the question and why?

None of it good, obviously, but the angle could be anything.

Women under 40 are much more vulnerable to being 'cancelled'.

Listening to the mighty Julie Blindel on Andrew doyle's free speech nation this week she articulated it so well. She is a well established and well respected, widely known campaigner and journalist so much harder to cancel than a 20yr old just starting out.

I have heard glinner interview some pretty impressive younger women on his show.

I know lots and lots of young people who are in this hok line and sinker and would not dare speak out for fear of losing their peer group. But I think it will only take a few months at university to open their eyes. Especially the gay ones. My heart breaks for them, but some things you really can only appreciate with experience.

the angle could be anything
Obtuse, probably

I'm 33 and have been following this crap for the past 7 years roughly.

I have never paid a telly licence fee and don't ever intend to.

One of the reasons misogyny is so successful is that the more knowledge and experience a woman has, the less likely is she to be listened to.

This. Women can always be dismissed by men, there is always a way for them to keep a claw hold of their power.

@theThreeofWeevils

the angle could be anything Obtuse, probably

I appreciate that!

@theThreeofWeevils

the angle could be anything Obtuse, probably

@theThreeofWeevils

the angle could be anything Obtuse, probably

It's the cult of youth. It's not only a problem for this issue or women, either. For certain people who think they are progressives, if it looks like older people are for something more than younger people, it is evidence that the opinion of the older people is passe, conservative, and wrongheaded.

Just look how some people treated the age demographic difference with regard to the Brexit vote.

So what. Do women over a certain age (whatever that is) not get a say in who is placed in hospital wards with them, and who gets to use communal changing rooms and public toilets with them?

Are they going to be given a tax rebate in recognition of this?

Besides, as I have frequently observed on this board, I am a millennial (I've got a rotten ripe avocado in the fridge right now!) and I am younger than both Owen Jones and Jameela Jamil. If they count as young, so do I.

Three teens in my house. Two of them proper gobshite feminists. One male. All three think this is fucking appalling. None of them watch BBC News, or pretty much any current BBC output, including the most excreble BBC3 shite. (Notable exception being Jerk, especially series 2 episode 1, with a hyper-woke student, which my 17 year old said was like watching a documentary about her most annoying acquaintance.)

They share their firebrand version of plain speaking with their friends, and more than one friend has spent much time in my home chatting and gone away understanding the issues well enough to raise them elsewhere.

So crack on Beeb, with your blinkered misogyny, and I'll carrying on raising the next generation of feminists who will talk fondly of watching Doctor Who before it was shite and ask didn't it start in that media company we used to pay a fee to just to have a telly?

Tick tock, Auntie. Obsolescence awaits you a hell of a lot quicker than it'll reach feminism.