A BBC journalist approached Glinner and said “They’re all old aren’t they? Young women disagree with you.”

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This is Glinner posting his experience outside Marion Millar's court case. He has - most courteously - not named the BBC journalist who stated this - who appears to have forgotten their status as paid for by the public purse and therefore supposedly neutral.

This misogyny of the BBC journalist astounds me. I wonder how many of these old bats (i.e., women over 40) they refer to are the ones who do the family admin/earn the money that means the licence fee gets paid.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/one-step-closer-to-hell

"All over 30..."

Sounds like the audience for Radio 1.

And while the Hitler Youth were singing along, the Oxford Union voted in favour of the motion that 'This house will not fight for King and Country.'

@theThreeofWeevils

the angle could be anything Obtuse, probably

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That also stood out to me in the glinnermail.

A large GC facebook group recently polled its members and the majority are millennials, with a sizeable zoomer contingent. Boomer women were actually in the minority.

Anyone drawing conclusions about the make up of the GC movement based on who can be at a protest/rally in the middle of a weekday should think about things young women might have like jobs, small children and no money to get to bleddy Scotland.

Honestly.

From a young woman with work commitments.

There seem to be a lot of young people making a lot of noise in support of gender woo, but I don't think there's anything like a majority supporting it. When the whole 'superstraight' thing happened earlier this year it seemed to be mostly young people taking delight in declaring their superstraightness.
I think that like those of us who are old most young people - especially males - either don't know or don't care.

Young people in many instances can be wonderful. But I have just been looking at a photo of the thousands of tents abandoned after Reading festival, so not all of them are wonderful all the time! Sorry, bit of a sidetrack there.

I’m 21 and they can fuck right off with their ageist bollocks.

There seem to be a lot of young people making a lot of noise in support of gender woo, but I don't think there's anything like a majority supporting it.

Agree. The minority who support it are very very vocal, while the majority who don't mostly keep their views to themselves. I wonder why that is? Gosh, could it be anything to do with the fact that those of us who do express our opinion get a load of abuse hurled at us and risk ending up in court?

So glad I don't bother paying my licence fee. I've ensure my parents don't pay for theirs either.

The BBC can do one, I will be cancelling my TV licence, don’t need to hear any more of their gas lighting, social engineering toxic shite.

Always an angle or an agenda despite claims of impartiality. We were on a CND march once and a bbc camera guy was shadowing us for quite a while. One woman said ' Ooh we might be on the 6 o'clock news!' An old bearded anarchist who was marching in front turned around and said ' Nah , you haven't got a purple Mohican or a bone through yer nose.' We made a point of watching later. The footage was more or less as he had predicted. With GC ppl they flipped the narrative around - they must all be elderly conservatives frightened of progress 🙄

It's definitely the case that older journos and media people (as well as academics) are running scared of their young colleagues. I think we see a lot of preference falsification on the part of anyone over 35 in the media - they are worried that if they don't signal the 'correct' views, they'll be tossed aside as irrelevant. This is a recent shift that has occurred over the past 5-6 years. When I worked in journalism back in the 00s, we young 'uns were scared of our older senior colleagues. We feared raising their ire, and wanted more than anything to gain their respect. Now it seems the dynamic has reversed, and it's not for the better.*

Sounds like we have similar backgrounds Donkey and this is a good observation. We may well have feared raising the ire of our elders, LOJ would just try to get them fired 😂

The BBC wouldn't have asked these young people into their airwaves, good job GB News did.

Here are some more young women, these are just a handful of examples. Are they young enough for the BBC Journalist? (I hope whoever they are is reading this but somehow I doubt it!)

twitter.com/camradfems/status/1367446758834462720?s=21

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

once a woman is no longer fuckable she should just throw a sheet over herself and concentrate on dying as quickly and conveniently as possible, while never, ever inconveniencing a man. everyone knows that

fuck you BBC you bunch of sexist fuckers

I was thinking about this this morning.

I wonder if male supremacism makes a big deal of women being invisible, useless, pointless once past their fertile peak is not actually because they are no longer sexually attractive, but because as women get older and wiser they become less compliant, stronger and more vocal.

It's easier to advocate on behalf of your children than yourself.

I can handle the things I've survived. I'm damned if I'll let my daughter have to face them without fighting tooth and nail.

So dismissing women post middle age might be less a calculation of their fuckability than a way to try to minimise and defuse their growing power.

The interesting question is why so many young people prefer authoritarianism to free speech.

Mary Harrington has a take on this in her latest Unherd article reviewing Shon Faye’s book. She suggests it could be the unforeseen result of widespread institutional childcare from a very young age. Also references the ‘matricidal’ tendencies of second wave feminism, which she thinks is a starting point for transactivism.

Regardless of whether you agree with her broader theory, it’s a good read:

unherd.com/2021/09/the-trans-war-on-motherhood/

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The interesting question is why so many young people prefer authoritarianism to free speech. Because Marion Millar's case is only partly about feminism and the trans issue - its significance is that it is about the right of the state to silence opinions they don't like. Anyone who cares about the right of citizens to voice their opinions freely should be supporting Marion.

Indeed. A question I would love to ask the TRAs and get an actual answer to is...what happens when something comes along that you DON'T agree with? Are you going to stand up against the crowd and say so? Or are you fully aware that they will all come after you then, because that's how this works. You'll be at the receiving end of abuse.

It's all well and good clapping along with the intimidation and silencing of women because they are on the 'other' side, and are with the in-group. But if this is how we deal with differences of opinion now, how long until something happens that you profoundly disagree with, but are too scared to speak up?

And is that the kind of society you want to live in?

Whatever the topic for debate, if we allow this intimidation and silencing to continue, it harms all of us. They think they will somehow be protected from it all, but they won't be.

Haven’t RTFT thread yet but just to say I am 27. The MN radicalisation portal got me young

I'm 35 and have been GC for at least 10 years.

Not that matters at all, who was the journo who exposed their ageist misogyny so openly? They should be absolutely shamed of themselves.

@AnotherLass

I can't imagine them saying this to a political movement that was predominantly older men (there are many). Older men are to be taken seriously.

Brexit?

I bet younger women feel it too, but there's more peer group pressure and less professional confidence to express it

But if this is how we deal with differences of opinion now, how long until something happens that you profoundly disagree with, but are too scared to speak up?

I'm sure they lack the imagination to consider that they might one day have an opinion that doesn't tally with the current orthodoxy.

I often think of the Martin Niemoller line: "Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

once a woman is no longer fuckable she should just throw a sheet over herself and concentrate on dying as quickly and conveniently as possible, while never, ever inconveniencing a man. everyone knows that

fuck you BBC you bunch of sexist fuckers

Thanks for letting me know, I thought I must be doing something wrong but couldn't work out what. Just existing over the age of 40 and having opinions . Silly me.

Young women disagree with you

Ask them whether they still agree that sex is an irrelevance when they have had a couple of children or are going through menopause or have had personal experience of a sex specific cancer.

Ageism is a massive problem.
When I first worked for The BBC in the 1980s they were hand wringing about how to attract a younger audience. Were still hand wringing about it when I left last year.
They always fail to recognise their older, loyal viewers and take them for granted. they also fail to recognise that the younger viewers get older and .. change with life experience.
It's nothing new but depressing nonetheless.

Ahh the BBC, well known for countering sexism against older women. It puts itself out so, to support female staff over 40, especially the ones we see on our screens. They are really keen to make sure women feel aging does not matter and their looks don't define them: falling over themselves to give women in their 60s and over presenting jobs. It the poor Huw Edwards types that never get a chance.

There's no misogyny like ageist misogyny eh BBC?

What's the official cut off for 'old, past it hag' in BBC land? 25? 30? 40? What proportion of the population do the old hags make up and what licence fee is coming from them?

And when the bright young things busy talking this naive, arrogant waffle turn that magic age, I wonder if they will immediately agree that they are past it, should have no voice and their opinions have no weight and all wisdom is found in the wet behind the ears, low life experienced and over confident trendies in their workplace?