A BBC journalist approached Glinner and said “They’re all old aren’t they? Young women disagree with you.”

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This is Glinner posting his experience outside Marion Millar's court case. He has - most courteously - not named the BBC journalist who stated this - who appears to have forgotten their status as paid for by the public purse and therefore supposedly neutral.

This misogyny of the BBC journalist astounds me. I wonder how many of these old bats (i.e., women over 40) they refer to are the ones who do the family admin/earn the money that means the licence fee gets paid.

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@NiceGerbil

'Those young women have only ever met mostly nice, plausible men, if they are university educated (and I think many working class women who aren't are very clearly opposed to GI) they will have encountered lots of very charismatic males who aren't ostensibly threatening.'

But. But...

Loads of girls don't have a university education.
Loads don't have a fancy job or are patrolled by parents.
Most will have experience of shit behaviour from men. Coercive boyfriends, Street harrassment. That generation still has girls/ women who have experienced rape. sexual abuse in the home or elsewhere. Creepy persistent men in clubs etc.

This narrative that some sorts of girls are somehow immune to all the shit bothers me as well.

But that's just it, isn''t it? Many young women divide men into the rough guys and the good guys, without realising that many of the latter are just hiding it better.

I remember being 24 and living with my boyfriend, and coming home from work sick unexpectedly one Sunday. I was in bed in our flat and he came back with a friend, not knowing I was home, and they had the most disgusting, obscene conversation about women in the next room, and sang some horrible song about sex mocking women's bodies, and I was really floored by that. The shock on his face when he walked into the bedroom was unforgettable. I have never really trusted men again, certainly don't trust those of them who want into our spaces.

I'm 20 and became a radfem at 15. I used to have lots of girls that age messaging me to commiserate and to confess that they thought along the same lines. We are the ones most affected by this ideology and the ones being groomed to bow down to it to the greatest extent. The community of Gen Z GC women has only grown since - go on Tumblr, there are so many of us now when 5 years ago there were only a few hundred!

Younger women will obviously find it harder to show up in real life as GC - lots of us have friends who bow down to this ideology or might need to pay lip service to start our chosen careers. It's easier to do this kind of irl activism if your career, friendships and relationships are already stable. Eg. my boss is nonbinary, not many older women would be able to say that...

@TirisfalPumpkin

That also stood out to me in the glinnermail.

A large GC facebook group recently polled its members and the majority are millennials, with a sizeable zoomer contingent. Boomer women were actually in the minority.

Anyone drawing conclusions about the make up of the GC movement based on who can be at a protest/rally in the middle of a weekday should think about things young women might have like jobs, small children and no money to get to bleddy Scotland.

Honestly.

From a young woman with work commitments.

Why is Gen X always forgotten?! 😄

I can't even read the term nonbinary without mentally rolling my eyes.

@Phobiaphobic

I can't even read the term nonbinary without mentally rolling my eyes.

Snap.

I'm 27 and I support her.. dismissing women because of their age is just another example of misogyny eugh !

Well said. Cancelled my licence a long time ago.

@NiceGerbil

Why do you think university age women are the strongest supporters?

From what I see over and over it's men. Bringing court cases, getting aggressive at protests and marches, telling women off on social media, threatening them.

Misogynist men are loving this stuff.

Because in every attempt to collect information on support for various aspects of gender ideology, university age women are shown to be the most supportive, often by a fair margin. Men of a similar age are also fairly supportive.

go on Tumblr, there are so many of us now when 5 years ago there were only a few hundred
Definitely, I've spent a lot of time there recently and it's really refreshing to see the conversations on "radblr". Some really sharp young minds on there, not wanting to sound patronising but the demographic skews very young.

I have often noticed how the trans activists use the idea that only older women are opposed to the erasure of 'women' as a sex class and so on. The idea is that certain statements can be ignored because of the age of the person making them. That would be ageist, of course, because it relies on both assuming that an older person has not followed any recent arguments (or understood them) and that older people are no longer full members of the society or to be given equal attention and respect.

But I also think that it is easier to ignore most types of sexism and misogyny when you are still in college and young, largely because of the victories from the second wave which stopped most sexist treatment of female students. What still remains has to do with sexual violence and similar issues. The other shit only happens once a woman starts work and has children.

I don't know, a lot of young women like to do their own investigations into what is going on, and they are the most embroiled in dealing with porn-soaked young men. They're the ones seeing it everywhere online, they're seeing what self-id in schools and universities means, they're seeing LGB interests being subsumed by the TQ+, they're seeing racist arguments wheeled out about how "black women are a subset of women just like transwomen are", and they are able to discuss these things anonymously in various places online.
Many state that they go along with various ideas in public but vehemently disagree in private, which is similar to many posters here.

Fully agree that the full weight of gendered expectations hits home when kids come along, but it definitely suits the genderists to keep promoting the idea that everyone on the gender critical side is a middle aged "Karen".

It's ageist and sexist, but what's new there eh?

Journalists say things to provoke people into producing a juicy quote. Glinner is a big name with a history of producing good copy that gets lots of clicks from both sides on this issue. It's really not very deep.

I will always pay my TV licence while I watch the BBC, which I probably always will. They're on a roll at the moment and Netflix is dire.

Just a reminder that Newsnight has been a leading part of why this is taken seriously as something other than an online spat. It may be because they don't want to find themselves on the wrong end of a Savile again. Whatever the motivation, it could be a lot worse.

Newsnight and Radio 4's Today programme have both covered the subject pretty well. However, they are not programmes watched or listened to by the younger age group most susceptible to gender ideology.

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

once a woman is no longer fuckable she should just throw a sheet over herself and concentrate on dying as quickly and conveniently as possible, while never, ever inconveniencing a man. everyone knows that

fuck you BBC you bunch of sexist fuckers

Bernard, you know what's not true. It would massively inconvenience men if middle aged women just all died.

For a start, who would do all the support human work? And the low level administration? And make sure fridges were full and laundry was clean? And there were nice events to go to where there was cake?

And more importantly, who would buy the socks?!

For a start, who would do all the support human work? And the low level administration? And make sure fridges were full and laundry was clean? And there were nice events to go to where there was cake?

I think it would take them a while to work out that was why those things hadn't happened.