A BBC journalist approached Glinner and said “They’re all old aren’t they? Young women disagree with you.”

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This is Glinner posting his experience outside Marion Millar's court case. He has - most courteously - not named the BBC journalist who stated this - who appears to have forgotten their status as paid for by the public purse and therefore supposedly neutral.

This misogyny of the BBC journalist astounds me. I wonder how many of these old bats (i.e., women over 40) they refer to are the ones who do the family admin/earn the money that means the licence fee gets paid.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/one-step-closer-to-hell

@WeAreTheWomen

I've never understood how it suddently became the default position in the media that if young people say something is right then it is right.

There are many, many occassions when young people (through lack of experience and emotional exploitation) are wrong. Anyone remember the scene from the film Cabaret when the Hitler Youth group sing Tomorrow Belongs to Me?

It's been like that for quite a while though. I can remember people making this argument back in the 90s. Old people just think X because they are stuck in the past. Or don't care about the future because they'll be dead.

I'm 37, I guess that's not far off decrepit according to the BBC. I have been an active reader/listener of this debate since I was 30, I guess.

Quite glad I don't have live TV or pay the licence fee

Over 75s don't have to pay the licence fee.

Should they be dropping the age threshold for free TV licences to 35, at least for women?

I still wouldn't be eligible yet but it would be something to look forward to.

Women who are around and over menopause age have always been disliked by/ perceived as a threat to men.

For a variety of reasons.

The fact plenty are young is irrelevant. It's witches prudes man haters etc etc ie women who speak up more and have had enough of men's shit. And if het don't need one to procreate any more iyswim.

Note that plenty of the vocal blokes who are enraged by women saying no are hardly in the first flush of youth...

Age is a protected characteristic.

One of the ones that the Beeb forgets about...

I don't think after getting sued and all that stuff about sexism/ ageism they can have forgotten it entirely!

With all this stuff it's useful to have evidence though.

Both perspectives on this topic tend to be picked apart and it's better if there's a record.

I mean it's got to the point where even if there's a hi Definition recording time stamped and taken by I dunno. The Pope. It's still somehow not true.

The WiSpa incident demonstrated this particularly well. And in the end the things said by some people who are not randoms. To try and make it not anything to care about. Were eye opening and really concerning tbh.

Anyway.

Yeah middle aged women are old and old women are rubbish.

And it was a woman who said it!!

It's not that old people are the only ones who agree. It's that older people are the only ones with the courage (or lack of give-a-fuck-ness) to speak up.

I have three adult children. None of them agree with gender-woo. None of them are willing to talk about it in real life.

As they get older they will get bolder.

In general so much attention is paid to young people because they tend to be willing to spend what money they have on stuff that they don't need and are going to jettison in a week to buy more stuff they don't need. That is, advertisers love them. This attitude has crept into every aspect of life now—games, films, TV series, all aimed at kids. Look at Dr Who: started out a grandad in the 1960s, soon he (or she) will not be legally old enough to vote, drink, get married... or transition.

Don't follow that sorry.

It's hardly only young people who do consumerism. I'd be interested to know why you think that?

The BBC is not paid for by advertising.

Not sure what you're getting at with the Dr who thing either! I'm not particularly keen on the latest series. Just googled though Jodie Whittaker is 39. That's not super young surely!

@TurquoiseBaubles

It's not that old people are the only ones who agree. It's that older people are the only ones with the courage (or lack of give-a-fuck-ness) to speak up.

I have three adult children. None of them agree with gender-woo. None of them are willing to talk about it in real life.

As they get older they will get bolder.

I think most people don't want to or are scared to say anything tbh. If they feel that way.

It's more that a small number of feminist women were the only ones prepared to say anything publicly at the start.

The feminist thing is a point. Used to saying things that people don't want to hear/ will attack and dislike them for.

I'm 36. Am I old?

@person78

I'm 36. Am I old?

You're still a year younger than Owen 'voice of the yoof' Jones, so I think your views may still count.

Young women are more enthusiastic about gender ideology than older women. In most polls that I've seen, young women are the most likely of any cohort to support men in women's change rooms, sports, etc.

I have a number of young (20-30) cousins and the female ones are passionate supporters of all things 'trans': pronouns in social media profiles/emails, recommendations of Judith Butler books (ugh), have divested themselves of Harry Potter related stuff, etc.

I've never understood how it suddently became the default position in the media that if young people say something is right then it is right.

It's definitely the case that older journos and media people (as well as academics) are running scared of their young colleagues. I think we see a lot of preference falsification on the part of anyone over 35 in the media - they are worried that if they don't signal the 'correct' views, they'll be tossed aside as irrelevant. This is a recent shift that has occurred over the past 5-6 years. When I worked in journalism back in the 00s, we young 'uns were scared of our older senior colleagues. We feared raising their ire, and wanted more than anything to gain their respect. Now it seems the dynamic has reversed, and it's not for the better.

There are many, many occassions when young people (through lack of experience and emotional exploitation) are wrong. Anyone remember the scene from the film Cabaret when the Hitler Youth group sing Tomorrow Belongs to Me?

University students also played a major role in the cultural revolution in China. Young people tend to be utopian in their thinking, which sometimes leads to political programs to rid the world of ideas and, eventually, people they don't like. Milan Kundera describes this dynamic (which he took part in as a student) in The Book of Laughter and Forgetting:

I too once danced in a ring. It was in the spring of 1948. The Communists had taken power in my country, the Socialist and Christian Democrat ministers had fled abroad, and I took other Communist students by the hand, I put my arms around their shoulders, and we took two steps in place, one step forward, lifted first one leg and then the other, and we did it just about every month, there being always something to celebrate, an anniversary here, a special event there, old wrongs were righted, new wrongs perpetrated, factories were nationalized, thousands of people went to jail, medical care became free of charge, small shopkeepers lost their shops, aged workers took their first vacations ever in confiscated country houses, and we smiled the smile of happiness.

Glinner describes the incident here, if anyone is interested.
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/one-step-closer-to-hell

Then he went on to say:

"While we were waiting, someone approached and said two women who had been watching with interest were ex-prisoners at two Scottish jails. Donna Henry told me there was a man in the last prison she was in. She could hear him having sex with another inmate in an adjoining cell. “It happens in Greenock, it happens in Stockdale. One was in Perth, he did a lot of his time in Perth, runs around in pigtails and all that. We have to share showers with them.”

Another scandal in plain sight, lying unnoticed while the authorities rifle through Marion Millar’s Twitter account, looking for rude words and thought crime. Scotland is heading to a very dark place indeed. But as Marion’s supporters today proved, it won’t get there without a fight."

Those women are probably under 40.

Does anyone at the BBC care about their opinions, or are they the wrong kind of young women?

I can't imagine them saying this to a political movement that was predominantly older men (there are many). Older men are to be taken seriously.

@Aparallaxia

In general so much attention is paid to young people because they tend to be willing to spend what money they have on stuff that they don't need and are going to jettison in a week to buy more stuff they don't need. That is, advertisers love them. This attitude has crept into every aspect of life now—games, films, TV series, all aimed at kids. Look at Dr Who: started out a grandad in the 1960s, soon he (or she) will not be legally old enough to vote, drink, get married... or transition.

And yet the BBC forgets that unlike the commercial stations it doesn't depend upon advertisers for income, instead on the Licence Fee which this 27 year old doesn't pay.

@TurquoiseBaubles

It's not that old people are the only ones who agree. It's that older people are the only ones with the courage (or lack of give-a-fuck-ness) to speak up.

I have three adult children. None of them agree with gender-woo. None of them are willing to talk about it in real life.

As they get older they will get bolder.

This. I have young adult daughters who are GC (and one who isn't, but she'll get there) and they keep their heads down for professional reasons, but I'm old and secure enough not to be intimidated by the possibility of getting a reputation. And a reputation for what? I've had more education in human biology and psychology than most people and if I don't challenge blatant bullshit ideology when it's in front of my nose I'll look as if my brain has fallen out.

I am 32.

'Old' is a poor choice of words! Old is subjective and likely to offend. I guess not many of us are exactly 18 but I'm sure there's a fair few in 30s which most people wouldn't consider old unless they are only 20 themselves. I work in a hospital everyone is young until they're about 70

Ageism is deplorable

Seems to be allowed free rein on MN though

The BBC doesn't have advertisers but - ask anyone who has dealings with it - it is obsessed with young people. It's terrified of young people not watching it and, therefore, not paying the licence fee once they leave home. It's why so many of their shows actively alienate the older audience they do have in order to attract younger viewers who won't watch them. It's asinine. As I said upthread, old people die but young people also grow old. The youth audience the BBC is chasing will have different views and habits in a few years time.

Older men do get dismissed too - ‘gammons’ etc.

But so many are keeping their heads down. My teens both think it’s all rubbish, but can’t say anything. I have had individual conversations with friends, and only met one ‘be kind’, but even they didn’t think anyone had changed sex, but that we need to ‘be kind’ to these fragile beings who can’t handle reality.

There are many, many occassions when young people (through lack of experience and emotional exploitation) are wrong. Anyone remember the scene from the film Cabaret when the Hitler Youth group sing Tomorrow Belongs to Me?

Exactly. The interesting question is why so many young people prefer authoritarianism to free speech. Because Marion Millar's case is only partly about feminism and the trans issue - its significance is that it is about the right of the state to silence opinions they don't like. Anyone who cares about the right of citizens to voice their opinions freely should be supporting Marion.