Marion Millar on trial today

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Solidarity to Marion and all the witches out to support her.

@MargaritaPie

"although I accept that nobody really knows who left the leaflets in the first place before anyone says"

The transwoman actually said on her Twitter that Marion and her gang had been doing it at other pubs too.

FFS, that alone should tell you it's nonsense.

Marion was out with her DH at an Edinburgh Fringe show. She popped into Doctor's to say hi to those other women, ergo she was not "with her gang" prior to arriving at Doctor's.

Until Marion turned up nothing whatsoever untoward happened between staff, other guests and the women.

When Marion popped in to say hi to the other women, she was recognised by bar staff. She got one beer, popped to the loo and when she returned, she was stopped by bar staff who told her they knew who she was, and that she wasn't welcome. She was given half an hour to leave.

Marion left within five minutes.

Bar staff had no way of knowing where she had been prior to popping in to Doctor's. And the other women had not been to other pubs prior to arriving at Doctor's. They came there from the show. Which they stated in several personal accounts. A fact you can check for yourself if you look at when the show ended and when they had booked the table for and arrived.

How come the bartender has been upgraded to owner now?

Yes, it's very clear the bartender recognised Marion from twitter, although none of them seem to have known of Meb beforehand. I agree there. But Marion joined the group temporarily. She just dropped in once they were at the pub.

Isn't it a pity that in all this stalking of women going to the toilet that none of the staff made a record of items allegedly found?

Meb ended their twitter thread with a selfie, IIRC. Could have at least done a selfie with the stuff allegedly left in the toilets.

@MargaritaPie

The owner who kicked out Marion said she recognised her when she came in and kept an eye on her and the group. Maybe the staff made a point of checking the toilets after they had been used by them?

Stop making up nonsense.

The "owner" you are referring to is not the owner but junior bar staff. That staff member did not "keep an eye on" Marion and the group, because the group had been there for over two hours before Marion turned up (remember the staff member tweeted about using the excuse of a two-hour booking to justify kicking out the group after Marion had left).

For two hours, nothing (apart from a group of women enjoying a night out) went on at all until after Marion arrived.

May I say I'm quite intrigued by some of the hypotheticals being employed?

I spent £35 last week on a small outing at a my local this week, which like many pubs, has found lockdown financially damaging. I didn't leave any leaflets in the toilets, but if I had, they would just have put it in the bin.

They would not be wasting their time ringing round the other pubs in the area warning fellow publicans to look out and ban my small group and our money.

This goes quadruple for Edinburgh during the Fringe.

For the people saying that Marion et al targetted a pub deliberately because it was run by a transwoman… the trans manager actually stated on Twitter that no one at the table, including Marion, clocked that they were trans. They were utterly convinced that they passed and their trans status was unknown to the women. So… is the bar manager just lying, then?

@WeeBisom

For the people saying that Marion et al targetted a pub deliberately because it was run by a transwoman… the trans manager actually stated on Twitter that no one at the table, including Marion, clocked that they were trans. They were utterly convinced that they passed and their trans status was unknown to the women. So… is the bar manager just lying, then?

The tweet boasting about it can be seen here:

democracycoma.wordpress.com/2021/08/24/liberal-democrats-and-trans-activism/amp

What were they doing to "increasingly make the staff feel uncomfortable?
"Tweet boasting" is part of the same wordpress blog quoted upthread?
As in a tweet in a blog
It's not an article!
It's a blog post

What were they doing to "increasingly make the staff feel uncomfortable"?

I'd like to know that too.

"Tweet boasting" is part of the same wordpress blog quoted upthread?

What point do you wish to make?

If you want to compile the screenshots and post them on your own blog for us to reference, be my guest.

Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/17a96d00-0aa7-11ec-922b-9339a9da8961?shareToken=03530cd7c9a2af2cc8bb5b306072382d

What were they doing to "increasingly make the staff feel uncomfortable"?

That's answered in the article linked above, the bar manager says: 'They were TERFs'.

It’s very interesting to see people here attempting to rewrite the narrative.

Am loling at the thought of bars phoning each other about malicious leafletting in Edinburgh in August 🤣 and checking the toilets after a group of middle aged women having a quiet drink were in them. Desperate flailing.

Please do carry on. These absurd “explanations” really do help to demonstrate that the overwhelming likelihood was that the bartender did eject these women because of their political beliefs, because the alternative scenarios are so implausible

Still trending - 29k tweets

31.1k now! It’s worldwide

Am loling at the thought of bars phoning each other about malicious leafletting in Edinburgh in August 🤣 and checking the toilets after a group of middle aged women having a quiet drink were in them. Desperate flailing.

This👆!
Obviously hoping nobody has been to Edinburgh at Festival Time. Leaflets, stickers,posters everywhere!

@MargaritaPie

"The identities of the complainant and police officer are already widely known."

Thanks to that Graham Linear guy or whatever his name is who leaked their identities on his blog, right?

"More women being thrown out of bars in Scotland"

Marion and chums went to a bar that happens to have a trans owner and left anti-trans material behind in the bathrooms (which understandably the staff weren't happy with). They then allegedly shouted at the bar staff when confronted about it then refused to leave when asked, and only left once the police were called out and arrived.

It helps to give things a little context.

I know they like to campaign but IMO I don't think private establishments are the place for that.

Marion didn't go there with anyone. She was out, elsewhere, with her husband.

No-one knew the person was trans.

The person isn't the owner. A junior staff member who is apparently about to start another job.

No-one has seen any 'material', nor described it, or photographed it. Marion denies leaving anything at all.

Marion was asked to leave because the bar person recognised her and she did so within minutes.

The police were called to eject all her friends on the basis of their beliefs.

No-one was campaigning. They were socialising.

'Context' doesn't mean 'fiction'.

Women are going to have to start wearing body cameras when they go out to show what actually occurs rather than encounters being rewritten maliciously afterwards. 🤔

[quote Igneococcus]Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/17a96d00-0aa7-11ec-922b-9339a9da8961?shareToken=03530cd7c9a2af2cc8bb5b306072382d[/quote]
Comments turned off. Very ‘fact lite’ piece.

[quote Igneococcus]Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/17a96d00-0aa7-11ec-922b-9339a9da8961?shareToken=03530cd7c9a2af2cc8bb5b306072382d[/quote]
Are not two of those charges against Millar post the initial charges?

Yes. Interesting, isn't it?

Yeah, there was a bit of a tone of "aren't women daft" about that piece, rather than, "fuck me how have we ended up in 1984, with added Gilead" .

Marion and chums went to a bar that happens to have a trans owner and left anti-trans material behind in the bathrooms (which understandably the staff weren't happy with).

Marion was at the bar for a short time only. She popped in to join people for a drink. Stop making things up. There is zero proof that Marion herself left anything then or anywhere else. This lie is significant because Marion is the subject of a court case.

Re the Times article:

Was the only information MM put online about the arresting officer that wasn't already online the threat to take her kids into care?

(Should that be, 'allegedly'?)

We've gone from "charged over six tweets" posted prior to being contacted to one tweet. Most of us said at the time the story broke and only the ribbon tweet was known about that that tweet must have been thrown in just to pad the charges out, because on its own that would be preposterous. Orwellian.

Now it's gone Kafkaeske.

I think people will read that piece 'knowingly'. I also wonder if it was deliberately lite because of the sub judice issue?

I also wonder if some posters might be intent on getting this thread pulled - so do be careful.

Women are going to have to start wearing body cameras when they go out to show what actually occurs rather than encounters being rewritten maliciously afterwards

Women have needed to do this for a very long time really.