Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Those supporting excluding LGB people from Pride (and this appalling behaviour towards anyone at all) have still not yet explained how the LGBA is a 'hate group'.

And why despite repeated checking, the charity commission etc keeps coming back saying such claims are plain untruthful. And slurs.

Really what this boils down to is that it is no longer acceptable to be homosexual and say so because it implies that you do not share the belief that someone is the sex they choose regardless of their biology.

So this is absolute intolerance of other LGB beliefs and an attempt to force all LGB representation to be compliant with TQ politics. Which are actually homophobic.

@BigNothing

Saying "supporting same-sex attraction is hate" is homophobic. We all see it.

This!

@BilindaB

''And yet there were hundreds of gay men there who weren't kicked out so it's almost like the issue wasn't that he was gay, but that he turned up wearing apparel from a hate group to an event supposed to celebrate the very people that hate group targets.''

Exactly.

Exactly what?

That bullying, verbal abuse and theft are justified?

Absolutely sickening, if this is what puts you on the 'right side of history' then I am bloody glad I'm on the wrong side.

All these people supporting homophobia. Directing hate at gay people who wear clothing to support LGB people.

We see you. Homophobes. We know exactly what you are.

Also.. Where does it say she's straight queer like someone said on here (apologies if I've missed it)
Is it not possible she's bi?
Which if so is conveniently misunderstood by all those saying LGB rights!
It'd have just erased a bi identity, which they supposedly support
Again happy to be corrected if she's not

I, too, would like to see the evidence that LGB alliance is a ‘hate group’ from those stating that it is.

It does seem their ‘hate’ is in the framing of their objectives of defining homosexuality as same ‘sex’.

Is April straight?

According to the Lib Dem website, she's Trans-species:

April is a Dachshund and indie pop enthusiast

@BilindaB

''And yet there were hundreds of gay men there who weren't kicked out so it's almost like the issue wasn't that he was gay, but that he turned up wearing apparel from a hate group to an event supposed to celebrate the very people that hate group targets.''

Exactly.

Perhaps you will answer these questions BilindaB:

Who does LGBA target and how do they target them (and please provide evidence of this)?

Who does Pride celebrate?

How is a legally registered charity set up to advocate for the legal rights of same sex attracted people to be upheld a 'hate group' (again please provide evidence)?

it's almost like the issue wasn't that he was gay, but that he turned up wearing apparel from a hate group

You mean a t shirt that implied he was homosexual, knew what sex was and claimed a right to be exclusively sexually attracted to biological men, with an additional political implication that as a homosexual he would not be willing to validate biologically female people's gender identity with his body.

Yes, it's exactly like the issue is that he was gay. And said so. And openly refused to conform to what more powerful people insist his homosexuality now must mean whether or not it fits his sexual orientation and feelings.

Incidentally which is more hateful..... a t shirt? Or threatening and bullying a gay person so much that they have to leave with a police escort?

That bullying verbal abuse and theft was justified

Nowhere have I said that, and don't think anyone else was either.
If you read what you quoted again, you'll see it was in response to '' it's almost like the issue wasn't that he was gay'' bit.

The LGB Alliance was formed in opposition to trans issues being included in with gay issues wasn't it? It's unapologetically divisive in nature and the complete antithesis of what Pride is about - inclusivity. So I don't really get why this man thought it was the time and place to promote division and exclusion at an event that centres on inclusion.

What was the intent behind his t-shirt and hat? I can only think it was to say something along the lines of 'Trans people should not be welcomed at Pride events' . Yeah that's really not going to go down well with 99% of Pride attenders.

There's a weird logic from some in this thread that these circumstances were homophobic because he is gay. I imagine there were hundreds of gay men there, I wonder why they felt welcome and this man didn't?

One of the key messages of LGB Alliance is that people should have freedom of speech. Well, what do you think this crowd were doing - exactly that, exercising their right to free speech.

@donquixotedelamancha

Is April straight?

According to the Lib Dem website, she's Trans-species:

April is a Dachshund and indie pop enthusiast

I thought you were making that up, but it's here.

www.mcrlibdems.uk/about-april-preston

Nowhere have I said that, and don't think anyone else was either.

Do you think it was justified that this gay man was targeted and attacked for wearing clothing that supports LGB people?

April is a dog? She identifies as a sausage dog? Wtf? Is this some kind of joke?

@NoNotMeNoSiree

That bullying verbal abuse and theft was justified

Nowhere have I said that, and don't think anyone else was either.
If you read what you quoted again, you'll see it was in response to '' it's almost like the issue wasn't that he was gay'' bit.

It absolutely 100% implies that it was his fault for turning up in that t-shirt.

There's a video of a few minutes earlier in the march where he is just walking along with a friend and talking, just another person marching.

It's very helpful to have the nasty bunch make it so clear that unapologetic lesbian and gay people are not welcome at Pride events if one of the QT kicks off.

LGB people have the right to organize for their specific issues. If you think that their existence is unacceptable and they should be driven out of Pride, you have simply underlined why LGB Alliance is needed and that Pride is not a safe place for LGB people anymore.

Homophobia is the shorthand for that kind of thinking.

Are T shirts literal violence?

@suggestionsplease1

The LGB Alliance was formed in opposition to trans issues being included in with gay issues wasn't it? It's unapologetically divisive in nature and the complete antithesis of what Pride is about - inclusivity. So I don't really get why this man thought it was the time and place to promote division and exclusion at an event that centres on inclusion.

What was the intent behind his t-shirt and hat? I can only think it was to say something along the lines of 'Trans people should not be welcomed at Pride events' . Yeah that's really not going to go down well with 99% of Pride attenders.

There's a weird logic from some in this thread that these circumstances were homophobic because he is gay. I imagine there were hundreds of gay men there, I wonder why they felt welcome and this man didn't?

One of the key messages of LGB Alliance is that people should have freedom of speech. Well, what do you think this crowd were doing - exactly that, exercising their right to free speech.

So are all the single issue trans orgs divisive too because they don't include the LGB?

Is there anyway for an organisation based on shared sexuality to exist without it being transphobic in your eyes?

Are people allowed to be same sex attracted and seek advocacy and representation as they see fit?

"And yet there were hundreds of gay men there who weren't kicked out so it's almost like the issue wasn't that he was gay, but that he turned up wearing apparel from a hate group to an event supposed to celebrate the very people that hate group targets"

How do you know he was the only person wearing that Tshirt? Did you personally check them all?
The issue was that he ran into a gobby, homophobic group of TRAs. You know - the ones on film shown bullying a gay man to the point where he needed police protection from them.

It's unapologetically divisive in nature and the complete antithesis of what Pride is about - inclusivity. So I don't really get why this man thought it was the time and place to promote division and exclusion at an event that centres on inclusion.

Pride isn't about 'inclusivity.' Being gay is exclusive by nature. In fact, all sexuality is exclusive (with the exception of pan-sexuality, I guess.) Pride used to be GAY and excluded straight people. You could go along I guess but it wasn't for you. It was a gay event for gay people: i.e. homosexuals. The point was not 'inclusivity' but GAY PRIDE.

Now Pride is full of straight people pretending to be 'queer' and kicking out any actual homosexuals who they don't think the men's rights movement should take over gay spaces.

It was literally NEVER about inclusivity.

What was the intent behind his t-shirt and hat? I can only think it was to say something along the lines of 'Trans people should not be welcomed at Pride events'

That's a rather radical interpretation of the text. Bit of a crowbar needed to see how the two things connect.

But yes, helpful to see how homosexuality is interpreted by some in this rather oddly paranoid way, that stating a personal choice to have a sex based sexual orientation equals being actively threatening to people who are trans.

There isn't a way to stop this being homophobic. It is.

Exactly what Bilinda ?

Hate to disagree with someone?

Hate to have a sexual preference?

Hate to have a sexual preference that is single sex?

Hate not to include every cohort of humans in the aims of a single charity?

Exactly what?

One of the key messages of LGB Alliance is that people should have freedom of speech. Well, what do you think this crowd were doing - exactly that, exercising their right to free speech

Is that your version of free speech? Hundreds of people intimidating a gay man and stealing from him? Because those people don't like his clothing? You think that behaviour is acceptable do you? Because to me it looks like intimidation with a very real threat of phyiscal violence. So much so that the police needed to move him to a place of safety.

The LGB Alliance was formed in opposition to trans issues being included in with gay issues wasn't it? It's unapologetically divisive in nature and the complete antithesis of what Pride is about - inclusivity.

What is divisive is saying that same-sex attraction doesn't exist and only gender matters. How do you think that works for people who are attracted to people of the same sex?

How is it inclusive to harass a gay man to the extent that he needs a police escort to leave before the howling mob physically attack him?

One of the key messages of LGB Alliance is that people should have freedom of speech. Well, what do you think this crowd were doing - exactly that, exercising their right to free speech.

You have a very odd idea about what freedom of speech means. You seem to be saying that a gay man can't wear a t-shirt showing support for a group which fights for the rights of LGB people.

What the mob were doing was harassing someone for exercising his right to free speech.

This caused me to raise an eyebrow:

twitter.com/CormacS63/status/1431970759048634368

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Trans activism destroys people's reason.