Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

I'm glad you've been provided with a legally qualified perspective Floral. It must be reassuring to know that you will be proceeding with your attire at your own risk.

Catching up on old posts because this thread moved fast.

There is no way that a prosecutor would consider that the alleged "robbery" met the threshold of "steals" as set out in s. 1 of the Theft Act 1968. And none of his bits about s. 12 of the Equality Act or "harassing based on a s. 9 protected belief" are anything beyond legal word-salad.

Really? How not? I cannot consider myself any authority on the Equality Act, but I've definitely read the Theft Act before.

In that video, he is clearly escorted for his safety by the police officers without a hat. Did the assailant give the hat back at a later point? If they did, is there evidence they would have done so without police intervention?

Looks like intention to permanently deprive to me.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60/section/1

A prosecutor might not consider it worth prosecuting, but that does not mean it is not worth prosecuting. They don't bother prosecuting the vast majority of rapists either. Doesn't mean they didn't rape.

It's the confidence I admire.

ss. 12 and 39 of the Equality Act will mean sod all if sexual orientation and sex no longer mean anything, but I suppose the theory is that there will always be a corner of England that will protect the rights of men.

"We can assure the judge that we are inclusive of all gender orientations. Fred looks at porn in his lunch hour and Jane likes anime".

I don't think you'd persuade a Crown Prosecutor that the evidential or public interest thresholds had been met – let alone a jury so as to be sure – that what happened caused anyone to "suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence" within the meaning of the law

Common assault is magistrate's court isn't it? No jury?

I do a fair bit of self defence work, and being surrounded by a hostile crowd, jeering, who have already shown they're prepared to lay hands on you... would definitely meet my criteria for 'violence imminent - get the hell out of there'. The police clearly felt the same, as they escorted him away.

Legally you'd get away with a pre-emptive strike in those circumstances, IMO, but strategically that would be a bad choice unless there's an obvious ringleader and a clear exit.

@DecayedStrumpet

I don't think you'd persuade a Crown Prosecutor that the evidential or public interest thresholds had been met – let alone a jury so as to be sure – that what happened caused anyone to "suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence" within the meaning of the law

Common assault is magistrate's court isn't it? No jury?

I do a fair bit of self defence work, and being surrounded by a hostile crowd, jeering, who have already shown they're prepared to lay hands on you... would definitely meet my criteria for 'violence imminent - get the hell out of there'. The police clearly felt the same, as they escorted him away.

Legally you'd get away with a pre-emptive strike in those circumstances, IMO, but strategically that would be a bad choice unless there's an obvious ringleader and a clear exit.

I missed that post. You are correct. Common assault is a summary offence, i.e. magistrate's court only.

Common assault is magistrate's court isn't it? No jury?

Yes.

Had a brief chat with my brother about this earlier. He peaked long before I did but hadn't heard about this incident. His take on it, is that it's all about sex. That there are almost no straight or gay people who will feel (enough) attraction to transpeople to have sex/enter a relationship with them. And even though bisexual people could theoretically be attracted to a transperson, it's probably not super common as even if you are attracted to both male and female people, that doesn't mean you'll ever be attracted to a male who presents as a woman or a woman who presents as a man. It's why we have this quite "new sexuality of pan" but even then people who say they are pan, are almost certainly being extra woke and not all would actually be attracted to transpeople in reality.

So transpeople find themselves extremely limited in terms of potential romantic or sexual partners and a lot of what we're seeing is a push to somehow force this to change. To create a mindset that you must be open to having sex with a transperson. That people being non-binary, gender fluid, etc is all about breaking down normal and natural barriers.

I disagree with my brother on a lot of things. But I don't think he's wrong on any of this, tbh.

Yes I think thats definitely part of it trancepants.

I remember reading an article by a trans writer who explained that as a TW they did not want to partner a bisexual female, as it was a worry that the person was in fact attracted to their pre transition gender. A lesbian female would not trigger them in this way as it confirmed that it was an exclusive attraction towards their chosen transitioned gender.

I understand it. I sympathise with it. But you cannot control other people's sex lives and self definitions and freedoms to meet your own needs.

If it was a case of some people are homogenderal and that's fine and some people are homosexual and that's fine, and we all get along and respect each others freedom to choice and being themselves - and likewise we accept some women's spaces are designated mixed sex but single gender and some are single sex and that's fine, and we all get along and respect each others need for inclusion - there would be no issue.

The problem is the enforcing of other people's conforming to beliefs they do not hold, do not want to hold, and which removes their rights and freedoms and equalities in favour of other people's.

In 2016 a Brexit supporter was fined £185 and ordered to pay court costs for temporarily stealing Eddie Izzard's beret.

Temporarily, as he (the reports at the time used this pronoun) retrieved the hat.

The chanting mob element wasn't present in his case - nor was he removed - but Izzard described the demonstrators as "dangerous".

That there are almost no straight or gay people who will feel (enough) attraction to transpeople to have sex/enter a relationship with them.

I've said this before, I don't think this is necessarily the case. Attraction is not the issue. Plenty of people could find a trans partner attractive.

But any relationship would be severely strained by constantly having to pretend the trans partner is the opposite sex to what they actually are.

@plodalong12

He asserted that he was a supporter of the LGBA, which says only that he supports the views and aims of a particular organisation.

AND???

The point many are missing is that it is the very fact that a person wearing that specific t-shirt, not any other, no other organisation or belief, is what shows clearly that it was an attack on someone who supports gay rights and not trans rights. A homophobic attack, an assault, no matter whether or not the CPS would choose to prosecute or not (much like rape, maybe not surprisingly).

So much double think going on. Mental gymnastics and not a clean routine to be seen.

But if the aggressor knew who LGBA were, and yelled at the person because they disagreed with their support for the aims and focus of LGBA, that is not homophobic, because that comes down to a disagreement on views, not a hatred of the person for simply being gay.

It's definitely hatred for being the wrong sort of gay though isn't it? He's made it clear that he's not going to be receptive to females who identify as men, and that was enough to incite a mob to threatening behaviour.

What is being said here is that it agressive political retaliation is inevitable if you publicly identify as only male attracted at Pride.

The woman who shouted at him April, is apparently a queer heterosexual! So we are at a place where a woman who might have snogged a woman is unable to stop herself from shouting at a man who is publicly showing evidence of his male only sexuality.

I'm really rather appalled at this stage we are at.

I hope April grows up soon and becomes a lot more accepting of same sex attracted people as she's tyrannically anti at the moment.

It's not the first time either is it?

A hideous gay bloke wanted lesbians "dragging out by their saggy tits" at a previous Manchester Pride.

Manchester Pride - not safe for same sex attracted people unless you are willing to pretend that you will have sex with the opposite sex.

We need LGB alliance.

On another thread, we've found out that women were banned from seeing an event at this year's Manchester Pride.

The point many are missing is that it is the very fact that a person wearing that specific t-shirt, not any other, no other organisation or belief, is what shows clearly that it was an attack on someone who supports gay rights and not trans rights. A homophobic attack, an assault, no matter whether or not the CPS would choose to prosecute or not (much like rape, maybe not surprisingly).

So much double think going on. Mental gymnastics and not a clean routine to be seen.

You are so right Curious and it is so bloody tiresome that this is where we are.

It's bizarre isn't it: straight woman incites homophobic bullying of a gay man at Pride - and she's the one that's applauded.

Is there some sort of time machine in Canal St that takes people back to 1978?

@Fitt

But if the aggressor knew who LGBA were, and yelled at the person because they disagreed with their support for the aims and focus of LGBA, that is not homophobic, because that comes down to a disagreement on views, not a hatred of the person for simply being gay.

It's definitely hatred for being the wrong sort of gay though isn't it? He's made it clear that he's not going to be receptive to females who identify as men, and that was enough to incite a mob to threatening behaviour.

What is being said here is that it agressive political retaliation is inevitable if you publicly identify as only male attracted at Pride.

The woman who shouted at him April, is apparently a queer heterosexual! So we are at a place where a woman who might have snogged a woman is unable to stop herself from shouting at a man who is publicly showing evidence of his male only sexuality.

I'm really rather appalled at this stage we are at.

I hope April grows up soon and becomes a lot more accepting of same sex attracted people as she's tyrannically anti at the moment.

I know April.

She is beloved in the lib dems, she has a bag saying non terfs no swerfs. She will not change her views anytime soon, they give her leverage in the party and have helped her onto the federal board of all things.

I wish i could post images but my account is new so it tells me no!

Here is an example:

'We are about to start pride knowing another one of our trans friends has committed suicide.

Numb and weirdly unsurprised. I’m angry more than anything.

Never EVER give in to terfs. They are killing our friends.

Any gender critical folk here, remove me. I am so beside myself with anger - so madden by the cruelty of this all I can’t condone your lack of compassion and utter hateful nonsense. No more.'

Weaponising suicide. Awful.

'Terfs coming for me and my family but we gotta hold up because more of our non gender conforming friends are gonna take the pain, disproportionately- look after your trans friends. Check in. Buy them stuff. Make them the biggest sandwich.

Let them play with your pets.

Anything'

@Giraffe19856

'Terfs coming for me and my family but we gotta hold up because more of our non gender conforming friends are gonna take the pain, disproportionately- look after your trans friends. Check in. Buy them stuff. Make them the biggest sandwich.

Let them play with your pets.

Anything'

Anything?

It its gnc people who would take the pain i dont know why you would ignore them and make trans folk a sandwich instead

@Giraffe19856
You can anonymously, without signing up, upload images to imgbb.com

Make them the biggest sandwich and this is the calibre of Lib Dems.