Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

[Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g]

LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality. It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

Oh piss off. I'm bisexual and I'm perfectly capable of not behaving like a rabid lunatic around people I disagree with. Stop using shitty excuses to justify the behaviour of a mob of braying donkeys.

FFS. I have been to rallies where people have dissenting views are present and they are simply ignored.

Mind you, they were feminist gatherings and a few people actually attempted dialogue with those dissenters. But no violence, no gloating about it being the highlight of their day, week or year.

They were eventually ignored! Like this man could have been.

Not one person there on Saturday needed to have abused him, or even taken notice of him. Not ONE.

And people are still claiming the mob was on the right side of history. Why? Was it hurt feelings?

For any ignoramus coming here perpetuating popular lies about gay people 'owing' our rights to trans people, and for those who may not be up to speed on the history of lesbian and gay rights in the UK, you might find this article necessary reading:

lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/08/as-pride-in-london-wants-2022-to-be-the-year-of-queer-professional-judy-says-were-not-subversive-were-not-unusual-were-not-deviants-and-we/

You can take your ignorant historical revisionism and stick it. The L and G, and then the B fought for our rights and equality. We owe the T fuck all, and are under no obligation to include them in anything at all, particularly when they campaign and press for homosexuals to be open to heterosexuality or stay closeted.

To march in Pride and to exclude one of the pivotal groups

I'm cynical of a lot of trans ideology but not this. You cannot scrap them from the title, they are as much part of the title as the LG and B.

Pivotal group? Stonewall only added the T in 2015. Was Stonewall also a transphobic hate group up until 2015 in your opinion?

In 2015, and following a six-month consultation with trans communities, Stonewall became trans inclusive.

www.stonewall.org.uk/stonewalls-history

LGB and T marched for equality and acceptance

If T were marching, it was very, very quietly. They just haven’t been a high profile group until recently. They certainly weren’t on anyone’s radar in the 80’s or particularly associated in the public consciousness with gay people. Certainly nobody thought somebody who was completely gender conforming could be trans simply by identifying as a different gender.

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Drop a letter? He's not allowed to disagree? Of course he bloody well is. And does. As do very many homosexual people.

The T directly undermines LG and B.

Homosexual people were not consulted about whether or not an ideology should be added to their acronym, that directly contradicts their own sexual orientation.

Have you not read the Denton report? This was a deliberate strategy. Resulting in how you have, apparently, concluded that transgenderism formed gay pride. No it didn't. Nor did the Stonewall riots stand for transgenderism.

How could they? Homosexuality is based on sex.

Transgenderism says it isn't.

Seriously. Stop with the rampant homophobia.

He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

He stated his sexuality and pride in it: that he is homosexual and is exclusively attracted to other biologically male people. It's gay pride ffs.

This is unacceptable to those who insist that gender must trump the reality of sex, and that it's provoking a reaction to be openly homosexual? It's excluding and rejecting - who? Those he will not make his body even theoretically available to?

This is insanity.

This is about a large group of adults, shouting love and inclusion, absolutely unable to tolerate one person stating boundaries around their homosexuality. Absolutely unable to tolerate it. And seeing it as a justified reason to behave like a bunch of thugs and bullies, on the grounds that those boundaries provoked them. The childishness is ridiculous.

I'll tell you as a lesbian, anyone trying to enforce who I must provide my body to on demand is going to be told to get to fuck. L. Adult female homosexual. You believe whatever you want, you have sex with whoever you want, don't inflict and enforce your personal beliefs on others.

The man excluded and harassed was stating his own boundaries and sexuality. He was not enforcing it on anyone else. Other people have felt absolutely entitled to enforce their boundaries and sexuality upon him. Ffs, this is commanding how someone must provide their body for sex! Is there really no glimmer yet of how utterly fucked up this is?

@Yourstupidityexhaustsme

I see this from both sides.

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality. It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

Of course you can drop a letter. It's perfectly permissable, and not offensive at all, to have subgroups within a larger community. Just as an example, you can be proud to be British and wear an England/Scotland/Wales/NI shirt at the same time. If I support England that doesn't mean I'm anti the other 3 home countries. (yes, some people probably do think that way, but then they're the ignorant ones.)

This is about a large group of adults, shouting love and inclusion, absolutely unable to tolerate one person stating boundaries around their homosexuality.

Indeed. And by extension heterosexuality.

This is a sexual rights movement that demands any person, male or female, must never exclude any other person, male or female from their sexual orientation.

It's disgusting entitlement to a breathtaking degree.

And the absolute OPPOSITE of gay pride.

Still, at least people can now see it for what it is.

@Anotheruser02

The black LGBA hat is now sold out, I wonder if they all went today.

The hats were pretty heavily promoted on Twitter. I bought one and then decided to go back and get a t-shirt as well.
I was prompted to visit their store because of this debacle but really wish I'd got round to doing it earlier. I'd have loved to have had the t-shirt arrive in time to wear it for INSET day next week.

They were beaten and kicked and attacked, arrested, spat on, ostracised etc.

Where are you getting this from? Until recently In the U.K., the only well known trans person was Jan Morris.

This might be because trans people have felt forced into reclusiveness, but don’t you think there would be be a more prominent trans campaigner from the 80s - an Ian McKellan or a Peter Tatchell, if trans people had really been heavily involved in campaigning for gay rights?

Also, whatever Marsha PJohnson did or didn’t do in the US, the country has been comparatively slow to create federal laws to protect gay rights, so it’s not clear why gay people in the U.K. should be grateful to whoever threw a brick on a different continent.

@Yourstupidityexhaustsme

I see this from both sides.

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality. It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

Once again for those at the back 'he was asking for it.' This. Is. Victim. Blaming. The behaviour captured on camera. Having a gay man removed from 'Pride' by police. Chanting slogans at him for his sins. These are not proportionate responses. None of these things are his fault. They're the fault of the homophobes who can't control their own reaction to a t-shirt. A t-shirt which asserts his sexuality.

@FloralBunting

For any ignoramus coming here perpetuating popular lies about gay people 'owing' our rights to trans people, and for those who may not be up to speed on the history of lesbian and gay rights in the UK, you might find this article necessary reading:

lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/08/as-pride-in-london-wants-2022-to-be-the-year-of-queer-professional-judy-says-were-not-subversive-were-not-unusual-were-not-deviants-and-we/

You can take your ignorant historical revisionism and stick it. The L and G, and then the B fought for our rights and equality. We owe the T fuck all, and are under no obligation to include them in anything at all, particularly when they campaign and press for homosexuals to be open to heterosexuality or stay closeted.

That's a fabulous article. And yes, we lose sight of the fact that the Stonewall riots was nothing to do with UK gay rights.

And, for clarity, people waving rainbow flags or pink-white-and-blue flags are also not asking for it, and that does not justify assaulting them, no matter how offensive anyone finds them, or if anyone believes they are "looking for a reaction".

So would the abusive mob be still justified if a person watched them and maybe followed them a bit wearing a t-shirt that said ‘I am proud and straight’ or something?

Or is this particular angry mob justified in being violent if they see anything they don’t agree with. Because why?

Why does this group get the entitlement to behave in this way?

If posters supporting this behaviour don’t see they have effectively mandated that this group has rights above everyone else to never be exposed to something that they disagree with, they must be very entrenched.

There is no well thought out argument for supporting that behaviour. There is no tenable reason to support it. You (general you) either think one single person (a gay man at a pride event in the case) cannot have a different opinion or you think this group of people cannot be expected to behave in a reasonable fashion. Ever.

I am not sure which is worse?

@merrymouse

They were beaten and kicked and attacked, arrested, spat on, ostracised etc.

Where are you getting this from? Until recently In the U.K., the only well known trans person was Jan Morris.

This might be because trans people have felt forced into reclusiveness, but don’t you think there would be be a more prominent trans campaigner from the 80s - an Ian McKellan or a Peter Tatchell, if trans people had really been heavily involved in campaigning for gay rights?

I think historically speaking, drag artists and transsexuals were incorporated and accepted into gay culture. They didn't dominate it though, and that didn't include hetrosexual crossdressers and self identifiers who now come under the stonewall umbrella, so there wasn't the same threat to lesbians.

@merrymouse

Also, whatever Marsha PJohnson did or didn’t do in the US, the country has been comparatively slow to create federal laws to protect gay rights, so it’s not clear why gay people in the U.K. should be grateful to whoever threw a brick on a different continent.

Incidentally, Marsha P Johnson identified as a gay man. Not a transwoman.

@Yourstupidityexhaustsme

I see this from both sides.

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality. It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

You've got an answer to your post @PurgatoryOfPotholes.

It is acceptable in the above posters eyes to attack someone because of the clothes they are wearing.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality.

What on earth does that even mean? Some people are sexually attracted to both sexes. That’s just a fact that remains true regardless of belief.

Yes HeddaAga the victim blaming is repulsive.

For the avoidance of doubt: there are posters on this thread who are justifying and condoning an assault on and theft from a gay man because of what he was wearing

As PurgatoryofPotholes said - where have we heard that before, who do we still hear it from?

So what if he went looking for a reaction? The question should be why does stating support for an organisation supporting same sex attraction and doesn’t focus gender identity garner such a reaction?

The question should be why does stating support for an organisation supporting same sex attraction and doesn’t focus gender identity garner such a reaction?

And why has such a violent reaction been judged as acceptable? Worthy of praise even?

As Grombles has said Of course you can “drop a letter” now it’s LGBTetc a whole lot of letters are being dropped- including by the posters saying he’s in the wrong for supporting the LGBA.

If you’re truly inclusive you should be asking about the Q and the I and all the others shoehorned in.