Gay man 'bullied' off Manchester Pride for wearing LGB Alliance hat and t-shirt

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LibDem activist delighted by this. Here are two of her tweets. The gay man who turned up in an LGB hat and t-shirt was allegedly advised by police to leave for his own safety and seems to have had the hat stolen.

Another young fool tweeted that 'bullying the guy in the LGB Alliance shirt who came to the protest march is my favourit part of Pride so far xx'. He has since deleted this (possibly because he is now sober and/or has seen how many people had reported this to his employers) and now claims he was just chanting 'Trans lives matter!'. 'Bullying' is an odd choice of words for this. How could anyone think admitting publicly to 'bullying' was a good look?

The LGB Alliance man has been advised that people shouting at him is actually assault if he wants to take it further. Doesn't sound like he does, though.

Unedifying, to say the least.

GC don't really tend to behave like that. I wonder if these so called activists have ever stopped to consider what that would be like for them if GC women started behaving like some of them do.

And that's the thing - people waving rainbow or pink-white-and-blue flags do turn up to protest at Women's Place UK or similar GC events.

And they're perfectly safe. People try to have debates with them, or persuade them to come into the meetings. No-one is going to harass them or attack them. We just think they're wrong and need to educate themselves.

Because we're not a hate group. We're certainly far less of one than those using the trappings of what used to be gay pride as a cover. They're the only side actually harassing and attacking people here.

Good thread cataloguing incidents from Maya here:

Oops.

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1432128528569536528

Interesting to recall that one time Stonewall did call out violence from that side. But they got so much stick for it that they never have since.

That's what's scary. The tolerance of extremism. Any group where violence is tolerated more than people calling out violence is in big trouble.

Any group where violence is tolerated more than people calling out violence is in big trouble.

Yep. Anyone defending this horrible event currently feeling a sort of high pitched whine in the back of their mind, there? That's the cognitive dissonance of a seeing yourself in a movement that is supposed to be about peace, love and inclusion, but is in fact hounding, harassing and abusing a gay man out of a Pride march.

You know it's not right.

Take a minute and sit with your thoughts. Just sit and think for a bit.

This is basic. It's easy to get carried away on the high of feeling you are the self righteous one. It's very human.

The acid test of what makes a good human is those who are willing to go along with the crowd as they chase one lone person out chanting at them, because of the buzz, and those who see clearly what is right, and move away from the mob.

Not always easy. But fairly simple and straightforward. Basic playground morality, you could call it. You don't bully people. That's it.

@ArabellaScott

'Fluxating femme euphoria'?

So, that means presumably that this person from time to time feels a huge surge of intense joy at the thought of being a woman?

Just trying to work out what it means. If it means anything at all.

Alpha Papa Golf (but not in that order)

@aliasundercover

I dont have post file, probably because its a new account. Ah well.

Just below the box where you write your comments you should see 'buttons' reading 'choose file'. Hang on, I'll post a pic :)

See where the red circle is? Click one of those then choose your pic.

I think people have to be members for a certain about of time before they can post pictures. Not sure how long though.

I see this from both sides.

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality. It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

Thanks for the info EmpressWitchDoesntBurn, I had no idea.

Pride isn't a celebration, it's become very trendy in the last few years.

Pride is a protest that started after the Stonewall Riots in the 1960's. LGB and T marched for equality and acceptance. They were beaten and kicked and attacked, arrested, spat on, ostracised etc.

To march in Pride and to exclude one of the pivotal groups is just downright disrespectful to the memory of the members of the trans community to rioted (and in some cases died) in the name of Pride. That man can walk so freely due to the actions of members of the trans community like Marsha P. Johnson who was a pioneer for both gay rights and AIDS awareness.

I'm cynical of a lot of trans ideology but not this. You cannot scrap them from the title, they are as much part of the title as the LG and B.

He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

Let's explain this once again:

He wore a t-shirt expressing support for lesbians, gays, and bisexuals.

I'm cynical of a lot of trans ideology but not this. You cannot scrap them from the title, they are as much part of the title as the LG and B.

Really? Again?

In this case 'trans pride' is bigoted, yes? As it excludes the LGB who marched with the T after the Stonewall riots.

@Yourstupidityexhaustsme

I see this from both sides.

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality. It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

And you feel that the reaction was proportionate? For a single gay man wearing apparel that showed a logo of a group that, despite many attempts, the charity commission has agreed is NOT a hate group?

For simply walking around in the shirt and hat?

If it hadn’t have actually happened, I would point out that it could be considered transphobic and infantilising to state a large group of people could not simply ignore the single gay man walking around with a logo on that they didn’t agree with. Because who would ever believe the reaction of this group was in anyway acceptable in this instance?

To march in Pride and to exclude one of the pivotal groups is just downright disrespectful.

The G is a pivotal group. So it the L and the B.

It's beyond disrespectful now, it's homophobic, discriminatory and disgusting.

@aliasundercover

He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

Let's explain this once again:

He wore a t-shirt expressing support for lesbians, gays, and bisexuals.

Whilst excluding his support for trans rights.

As I said above. Pride isn't a 'celebration' it's a protest. It's a protest that members of the LGBT community died for. To cut trans out the title and refuse to express support for the cause undermines everything the stonewall riots originally stood for.

The Stonewall riots were about lesbian and gay rights. Nothing to do with trans at all

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Yes you can, you can choose any of the letters to align to.

To march in Pride and to exclude one of the pivotal groups is just downright disrespectful to the memory of the members of the trans community

Maybe you should tell that to the T who are violently and aggressively excluding the LGB. Because that's bloody disrespectful.

And again let us keep repeating, LGB Alliance has trans people supporters and supports trans people.

They centre people who are only interested in upholding their rights as people wanting same sex relationships. Not same gender.

They are NOT trans exclusionary.

That some of their aims conflict with stonewall’s should be enough of a sign that stonewall doesn’t represent a growing number of LGB people.

Whilst excluding his support for trans rights.

Which rights have been excluded ?

It's the same kind of reaction that the dictionary definition of woman gets.

It bears repeating - a gay man was forced to leave pride because he supported an organisation for gay, lesbian and bisexual people.

Diversity of thought not allowed!

@Yourstupidityexhaustsme

I see this from both sides.

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality. It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

You can't just drop a letter? Sorry but thousands of ppl have done just that , deal with it. How about : you can't just add a letter? By what authority , who did you consult? The most obtuse post I'll read today.

It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

Man: ''Officer, I'd like to report theft, and an assault against me for being a same-sex attracted man.''

Officer: ''Alright, but before we start...what were you wearing at the time? Just to help us understand if you were asking for it or not?''

@Yourstupidityexhaustsme

I see this from both sides.

He's more than entitled to his own opinion but you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality. It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

He can't drop a letter but everyone else can constantly add letters to the alphabet soup?

LGBTQIAFJZSNAKR+

Nah...

you can't just drop a letter because you don't agree with it

So every organisation, poster, t-shirt, hat, umbrella etc etc has to have LGBT on it? Is that what you are seriously saying?

Have you never been to a protest? They usually have a common cause but within that lots of different groups representing different sections/thoughts.

Lots of people don't believe in bisexuality.

LGBA don’t say they don’t believe in trans people. They just specifically campaign for the rights of LGB people, which are sometimes in conflict with trans people who, to put it bluntly, don’t believe in same sex attraction.

It's offensive to turn up in an LGT t-shirt. He went looking for a reaction, he got one.

This is exactly what people used to say about Pride marches - before they got into the business if being sponsored by HSBC.